The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 02:04pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 35
Is it saying, you can't put your foot down OR take your foot and have it dangling in the air in another plane?

Cause THAT makes sense.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 02:20pm
I got a Basketball Jones!
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Hunger
Posts: 940
Quote:
Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref View Post
What is the need for BOTH then? I mean, if the ONLY way to leave the space is to put your foot in it, why the need for this, "Once a free throw starts, no player occupying a marked lane space may
enter or leave such space
or break with either foot the vertical plane of any lane
or lane-space boundary until the ball touches the ring or backboard or until the
free throw ends.
Consider that you can leave a marked lane space by extending one's foot past the rear or front plane just as well as a side plane. Fed defines 'marked lane space' as 3' deep, beginning at outer edge of 3 sec lane. Recent change dictates that one foot must remain in close proximity to nearer lane line, IIRC.
CAVEAT: Although I post with the voice of authority, I could be entirely wrong as I am a former coach!!
__________________
Lah me..
(In honor of Jurassic Ref, R.I.P.)
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 02:20pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref View Post
Is it saying, you can't put your foot down OR take your foot and have it dangling in the air in another plane?

Cause THAT makes sense.
Yes, and in the last couple of years they added the part about putting any part of your body on the floor outside the lane space; making it even more clear that those other body parts do not create a violation merely by breaking the plane.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 05:04pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Boston Area
Posts: 285
8-4-G (p51 2010-11 NFHS Book)

It reads ... "Not more than one player may occupy any part of a marked lane space".

OK, I know it might be thin ... but it should be part of the discussion.
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 05:07pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by ref3808 View Post
It reads ... "Not more than one player may occupy any part of a marked lane space".

OK, I know it might be thin ... but it should be part of the discussion.
Obviously meant to prevent teammats from doubling up in a lane space; can't read too much into that.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 05:11pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Boston Area
Posts: 285
Case Book 9.1.3

Indicates that extending the arms over the area between the lane spaces is legal if there is no contact. Of course it says nothing about extending into another contestant's lane space.
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 05:14pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by ref3808 View Post
Indicates that extending the arms over the area between the lane spaces is legal if there is no contact. Of course it says nothing about extending into another contestant's lane space.
There's what, three inches between lane spaces?
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 05:32pm
Aleve Titles to Others
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: East Westchester of the Southern Conference
Posts: 5,381
Send a message via AIM to 26 Year Gap
I'll take space number 2.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ref3808 View Post
Indicates that extending the arms over the area between the lane spaces is legal if there is no contact. Of course it says nothing about extending into another contestant's lane space.

__________________
Never hit a piñata if you see hornets flying out of it.
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 05:41pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 7,620
Quote:
Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap View Post
Reminds me of the Monty Hall Problem.

Monty Hall problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Try it yourself:
Monty Hall Simulation
__________________
Cheers,
mb
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 05:44pm
rsl rsl is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 301
9-1-3d clearly defines what it means to enter or leave:

No player shall enter a marked lane space or leave a marked lane space by contacting the court outside the 36-inch by 36-inch space.

This clearly does not prohibit reaching unless you touch the floor
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 06:32pm
Aleve Titles to Others
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: East Westchester of the Southern Conference
Posts: 5,381
Send a message via AIM to 26 Year Gap
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbyron View Post
Reminds me of the Monty Hall Problem.

Monty Hall problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Try it yourself:
Monty Hall Simulation
But, if the contestants switch lane spaces, there is a good probability that they will commit a violation as the space assignments are not random.
__________________
Never hit a piñata if you see hornets flying out of it.
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 08:27pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 22,955
That's What It's All About ...

I'm confused. Are we playing patty cake, or our we doing the hokey pokey?
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 08:33pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Boston Area
Posts: 285
I believe some may quibble with my use of the word contestant

contestant
Noun
1con·tes·tant (k n-t s t nt, k n t s t nt) n. 1. One taking part in a contest; a competitor 2 a person who dissents from some established policy [syn: dissenter, dissident, protester, objector]

Admitedly, it does lead one to think of game shows.
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 11:13pm
Aleve Titles to Others
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: East Westchester of the Southern Conference
Posts: 5,381
Send a message via AIM to 26 Year Gap
Quote:
Originally Posted by ref3808 View Post
contestant
Noun
1con·tes·tant (k n-t s t nt, k n t s t nt) n. 1. One taking part in a contest; a competitor 2 a person who dissents from some established policy [syn: dissenter, dissident, protester, objector]

Admittedly, it does lead one to think of game shows.
Considering the rule book, case book, etc refer to players as, well, players, it is not surprising to think of other competitions. Like spelling bees.
__________________
Never hit a piñata if you see hornets flying out of it.
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old Mon Nov 22, 2010, 11:19pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: In a little pink house
Posts: 5,289
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells View Post
There's what, three inches between lane spaces?
two, actually
__________________
"It is not enough to do your best; you must know what to do, and then do your best." - W. Edwards Deming
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Positioning of players during technical foul free throw missinglink Basketball 11 Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:09pm
Free Throw Question rgncjn Basketball 37 Wed Dec 05, 2007 06:59pm
two questions - start of half question and free throw question hoopguy Basketball 6 Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:12pm
Free throw question John Schaefferkoetter Basketball 6 Tue Jan 11, 2005 02:15pm
Free Throw Positioning....Top of the key ??? WeekendRef Basketball 7 Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:20am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:17pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1