Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 702509)

Can anyone tell me where in the NF rulebook or casebook does it specifically state that players along the FT lane cannot have their arms extended into the space next to them? I'm not talking about linking arms or contact, just having the arms in front of the other player. Thanks.

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref (Post 702524)

I want to say it does, but I do not have a reference. We are told it is a lane violation.

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref (Post 702524)

I want to say it does, but I do not have a reference. We are told it is a lane violation.

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 702528)

You are told incorrectly. Not a violation.

Casebook:

9.1 COMMENT: While Rule 8-1 clearly states which marked lane spaces must
be occupied and by whom, a team forfeits its right to any space not occupied
before the free throw starts (when the ball is placed at the disposal of the free
thrower). Once a free throw starts, no player occupying a marked lane space may
enter or leave such space or break with either foot the vertical plane of any lane
or lane-space boundary until the ball touches the ring or backboard or until the
free throw ends. Players who do not occupy a marked lane space may not have
either foot break the vertical plane of the free-throw-line extended and the vertical
plane of the three-point line until the ball touches the ring, or the backboard,
or the free throw ends. No player may enter or leave a marked lane space after
the ball is placed at the disposal of the free thrower until the restrictions have
ended as outlined.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 702530)

Or what I said in plain English. :)

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 702528)

You are told incorrectly. Not a violation.

Casebook:

9.1 COMMENT: While Rule 8-1 clearly states which marked lane spaces must
be occupied and by whom, a team forfeits its right to any space not occupied
before the free throw starts (when the ball is placed at the disposal of the free
thrower). Once a free throw starts, no player occupying a marked lane space may
enter or leave such space or break with either foot the vertical plane of any lane
or lane-space boundary until the ball touches the ring or backboard or until the
free throw ends. Players who do not occupy a marked lane space may not have
either foot break the vertical plane of the free-throw-line extended and the vertical
plane of the three-point line until the ball touches the ring, or the backboard,
or the free throw ends. No player may enter or leave a marked lane space after
the ball is placed at the disposal of the free thrower until the restrictions have
ended as outlined.

Originally Posted by smginnis (Post 702544)

If "the space" is defined by the area within the marked lane space and the vertical planes created by the marked lane spaces, I'll make an argument that a player is leaving "the space" and "entering" a new space by moving parts of their body (i.e. torso, butt, arms, hands) outside of their marked space and into the space next to theirs.

I may be wrong, but I hate the idea of allowing kids to stick their arms across another lined up player. Patty cake and fouls soon follow.

Originally Posted by smginnis (Post 702544)

If "the space" is defined by the area within the marked lane space and the vertical planes created by the marked lane spaces, I'll make an argument that a player is leaving "the space" and "entering" a new space by moving parts of their body (i.e. torso, butt, arms, hands) outside of their marked space and into the space next to theirs.

I may be wrong, but I hate the idea of allowing kids to stick their arms across another lined up player. Patty cake and fouls soon follow.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 702551)

The rule very clearly states that breaking the plane with your foot is a violation. If they wanted it called like you do, they would simply state that breaking the plane is a violation.

Patty cake is easily stopped before fouls most of the time. If nothing else, and they both start engaging; call a double foul and play on. They'll get the message.

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref (Post 702553)

Actually the word "or" makes that much LESS clear.

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 702557)

I don't think it's unclear. You leave a space by entering another space, which you can't do by waving your hands. That's one way to violate.

OR, you can violate without leaving if you move your feet through the boundary of the space.

What's unclear?