Substitution Question

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

So what if at 30 seconds into a full time out both teams are ready, but before the ball is put in play a sub comes to the table (assume before the 15 second horn would have normally sounded)? Do we allow that sub?

The administering official on the throw-in is supposed to blow their whistle on a throw-in after a TO or unusual delay. Use the whistle in lieu of the horn.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The administering official on the throw-in is supposed to blow their whistle on a throw-in after a TO or unusual delay. Use the whistle in lieu of the horn.

So we'll allow the sub up until the whistle? That makes sense to me.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

So we'll allow the sub up until the whistle? That makes sense to me.

Not definitively covered afaik, but it also makes sense to me to do that.

[Adam]

2-3!

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

2-3!

Perhaps not entirely 2-3...If both teams are back on the court and the administering official is about to put the ball in play, then this would seem to come into play: "The substitute shall remain outside the boundary until an official beckons, whereupon he/she shall enter immediately. If the ball is about to become live, the beckoning signal should be withheld."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Perhaps not entirely 2-3...If both teams are back on the court and the administering official is about to put the ball in play, then this would seem to come into play: "The substitute shall remain outside the boundary until an official beckons, whereupon he/she shall enter immediately. If the ball is about to become live, the beckoning signal should be withheld."

Agreed, but in a situation where both teams came out at 40 seconds, the timer decided to skip the horn, and just before you're ready to hand the ball the thrower a sub shows up at the table?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed, but in a situation where both teams came out at 40 seconds, the timer decided to skip the horn, and just before you're ready to hand the ball the thrower a sub shows up at the table?

Right, and if I have sounded my whistle...to my way of thinking I have completed the final thing that must be done before the ball can be put in play. IOW, the ball is about to become live, and I should withhold the beckon.

[chseagle]

Page 81 of the rules book in the 2010-2011 Major Rules Differences (NFHS vs. NCAA) states under time out(s) reduction for NFHS:

"Reduced if both teams are ready"

I've gotten in the habit of sounding the horn if one team is ready while the other is still in the huddle.

Concerning the timer not sounding the horn when they should, they are pre-occupied with something else, not properly trained, or not watching the stopwatch/time out timer.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I've gotten in the habit of sounding the horn if one team is ready while the other is still in the huddle.

Get out of that habit, or stop complaining about other scorers/timers who aren't doing their jobs properly.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Get out of that habit, or stop complaining about other scorers/timers who aren't doing their jobs properly.

Snaq, it also depends on how close to the warning horn the one team is still huddling as to if I sound the horn.

Majority of the time, it's so close to the warning horn (within 5 secs.) that I just sound the warning horn.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

1) Page 81 of the rules book in the 2010-2011 Major Rules Differences (NFHS vs. NCAA) states under time out(s) reduction for NFHS:
"Reduced if both teams are ready"
I've gotten in the habit of sounding the horn if one team is ready while the other is still in the huddle.

2) Concerning the timer not sounding the horn when they should, they are pre-occupied with something else, not properly trained, or not watching the stopwatch/time out timer.

1) Whyinthehell would you ever do anything like that when you KNOW both teams aren't ready? Rule 2-12-4 tells you exactly when to blow your horn on timeouts. Just follow the rules, mind your own business and keep your nose out of things in the game that are absolutely no concern at all of yours. And furthermore....lah me.

2) If timers aren't properly trained they should be directed...nay, ordered.... it should be made mandatory....mandatory, I tell ya....to enrol in Chseagle's Four-Star Summer Timing Camp For Wayward Timers. Motto- "Watch a legend in action!"