Substitution Question

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Snaq,

You forget that majority of the games I do as timer are at the JV/C level so both the coaches & officials are wanting to keep the game moving in order to be available for Varsity or wanting to watch Varsity.

As I stated it rarely happens. Those times it does happen I hear no complants from the coaches or floor officials.

I follow the timing regulations fully, the sounding of the horn early is a 1:200 to 1:300 happening & at the request of the floor officials & coaches by mutual consent.

Okay, now that we can work with. If you are being asked to act contrary to the rules for the sake of keeping the sub-varsity games moving along, then by all means, do so.

But please clearly acknowledge that this is what you are doing. NFHS rules do not allow either team to cause a time out to be cut short if the other team desires to take the full time. So sounding the warning horn early is clearly wrong by rule.

[chseagle]

I was expecting someone to ask me if this was something I was doing with or without mutual consent of floor officials & coaches.

I've done shortened halftimes before as well by mutual consent.

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Okay, now that we can work with. If you are being asked to act contrary to the rules for the sake of keeping the sub-varsity games moving along, then by all means, do so.

But please clearly acknowledge that this is what you are doing. NFHS rules do not allow either team to cause a time out to be cut short if the other team desires to take the full time. So sounding the warning horn early is clearly wrong by rule.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was expecting someone to ask me if this was something I was doing with or without mutual consent of floor officials & coaches.

I've done shortened halftimes before as well by mutual consent.

This is not a rule that can be altered by mutual consent. So for you to openly state that you are "doing your own thing" on this, clearly in contradiction to the rules is not going to evoke kindly, probing questions. It's going to get you lit up.

[chseagle]

During all the Varsity games I've done, the only time I ever hit the horn during TOs was to sound 1st horn/2nd horn as the required intervals.

The timing device I normally use is my watch's stopwatch function.

This year am thinking if using my iPod Touch's stopwatch function instead.

The one time I used the time-out timer on the scoreboard controls, the system froze up

Until WIAA instituted the 35 sec. shot clock for boys, I was using the shot clock as the time out timer during boys' games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Snaq,

You forget that majority of the games I do as timer are at the JV/C level so both the coaches & officials are wanting to keep the game moving in order to be available for Varsity or wanting to watch Varsity.

As I stated it rarely happens. Those times it does happen I hear no complants from the coaches or floor officials.

I follow the timing regulations fully, the sounding of the horn early is a 1:200 to 1:300 happening & at the request of the floor officials & coaches by mutual consent.

First you say you do it when one team comes out of the huddle; now you say you're doing it with mutual consent? Which is it? I highly doubt the floor actual officials are telling you to do this. My guess is you're mistaking their silence for consent, as they likely don't know what you're doing when you do it, so they really can't consent to it.

If it's something your AD is telling you to do, so be it, but unless you have the consent of both coaches, I think it's unethical for him to give you that direction. Even with consent, it could be argued it's improper, but not a big deal at the JV level.

And the sentence in red above is self-contradictory.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I have an e-copy (button-masher) of the 2009-2010 rule book & a hard copy (a real page turner) of the 2010-2011 rules book.

Neither one of them is abridged.

When the season does come around, I'll be having three things with me at the table concerning printed material.

2010-2011 Rules book, WIAA Shot clock instructions & Instructions To and Duties of Scorers and Timers for Basketball Games

The latter 2 I've had with me for the past 2 years at the table.

This part is just getting comical.

[rlarry]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This part is just getting comical.

Comical in a really sad,sad way.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

DON'T SOUND THE HORN UNTIL IT'S THE PROPER TIME.

Agree. Stick to the rules.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was expecting someone to ask me if this was something I was doing with or without mutual consent of floor officials & coaches.

Um, no. In that case you would be assuming that some of us actually care what you personally do. We don't. All we expect from any timer is for them to follow the timing rules and not make up their very own version of those rules. Iow, they do their job and leave us alone to do ours. You seem to be having some problems comprehending that.