20-Second I.O.T. for Blood?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

In citing 2-12-5, you left out "except as in 3-3-6" which is in the NOTE.

True, sir, but not applicable to the question. Nowhere in the question did it mention the coach requesting a time out, and the case plays in 3.3.6 regard injury, not blood on a uniform.

In any event, I checked with a high-ranking interpreter that assists with RefSchool, and according to him, the answer is indeed YES. The software is a fantastic tool, but like us, it has a few glitches.

(I think I set someone up for the overhead smash with "fantastic tool.")

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

True, sir, but not applicable to the question. Nowhere in the question did it mention the coach requesting a time out, and the case plays in 3.3.6 regard injury, not blood on a uniform.

In any event, I checked with a high-ranking interpreter that assists with RefSchool, and according to him, the answer is indeed YES. The software is a fantastic tool, but like us, it has a few glitches.

(I think I set someone up for the overhead smash with "fantastic tool.")

I think that you are a fantastic tool also.

And so is your "high-ranking interpreter that assists with RefSchool", if that was supposed to impress me.

Read NFHS rule 3-3-7. That tells you that blood on a uniform is treated the exact same way as an open wound or bleeding. It also tells you that a team can request and be granted a timeout to keep the player with blood on their uniform in the game. And tell your "high ranking interpreter that assists with RefSchool" when you see him that rules 3-3-6 and 3-3-7 have identical language when it comes to those TO requests and both share the same language in the "NOTES: (ARTS:6,7)" under those rules. Maybe you can find somebody to explain those NOTES, especially Note #2, to both of you. That note applies to blood on a freaking uniform.

Lah me.....

[bainsey]

You amuse me, JR.

Actually, 2-12-5 answers the aforementioned question as it is. While there certainly is an exception in 3-3-6, I don't see it as applicable to this particular question, as nowhere did it state that a coach requested a time out. The question merely asked whether you would use a 20-second I.O.T. for blood, and "a player directed to leave the game" sums it up.

Scrapper and Ed, I'm having difficulty finding the citation that we must wait for a coach to request a time out before calling for the I.O.T. If anyone has such a citation, please chime in.

[Adam]

It seems to me that in order to get to the false answer, one must engage in "reading too much into the question."

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

You amuse me, JR.

You make me laugh too, Bainsey. For a relatively new official(5 years or so, right?) who hasn't really broken into high school varsity ball yet, you sureashell try to come across as all-knowing when you get into discussions like this. Some very sharp guys, including one who is a D1 official and an IAABO rules interpreter, have tried to give you the right direction in this thread, but as usual you blithely motor on insisting that your personal flights of fancy HAVE to be correct.

Good luck to you and your "high ranking interpreter that assists with RefSchool" buddy. You both need it.

Now carry on doing what you do so well.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It seems to me that in order to get to the false answer, one must engage in "reading too much into the question."

You amuse me too, Snaqwells. But in a good way.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

For a relatively new official(5 years or so, right?) who hasn't really broken into high school varsity ball yet, you sureashell try to come across as all-knowing when you get into discussions like this. .... usual you blithely motor on insisting that your personal flights of fancy HAVE to be correct.

Interesting perspective. I don't believe it to be my flights, though.

I asked a question here, to gather thoughts on something that didn't seem right to me. Later, I found the answer, a citation, and a source. And in the end, my RefSchool contact said the answer in the software was indeed erroneous. Problem solved.

Snaq, I think you're right about "reading too much into it." It's one simple question, folks, and on a test, a rookie gets the same amount of points as a veteran.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Interesting perspective. I don't believe it to be my flights, though.

I asked a question here, to gather thoughts on something that didn't seem right to me. Later, I found the answer, a citation, and a source. And in the end, my RefSchool contact said the answer in the software was indeed erroneous. Problem solved.

Snaq, I think you're right about "reading too much into it." It's one simple question, folks, and on a test, a rookie gets the same amount of points as a veteran.

The rookie never gets the same number of points as the rookie. Just sayin

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

The rookie never gets the same number of points as the rookie. Just sayin

????
Yogi?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

????
Yogi?

Doesn't matter, 'cause he's just sayin.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

????
Yogi?

You cut me so deep.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Doesn't matter, 'cause he's just sayin.

I know, right?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

You cut me so deep.

Need a hug?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Need a hug?

Actually, it appears I need a really long nap.

But if a hug is the best you can do...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

And in the end, my RefSchool contact said the answer in the software was indeed erroneous. Problem solved.

Not really. The consensus on this forum is that you, RefSchool and your "high ranking interpreter that assists with RefSchool" buddy are all full of sh!t. Not one person here has agreed with you. We all thought the correct answer should be "no" as per the reasoning and cites already given to you.

Quite simply, we do NOT direct the timer to start the replacement interval IF a TO request is granted to keep the player with blood on their uni in the game. There is NO replacement interval in that situation. The cite is NFHS rules 3-3-7 and 3-3-7NOTES: (ARTS: 6, 7) 2.

But if you feel that the problem is solved, I'm personally quite happy to go along with that. It's a waste of time trying to explain anything to you anyway imo.