20-Second I.O.T. for Blood?

[bainsey]

When a player is injured, an official should direct the timekeeper to start the 20-second clock for the interval of time needed for a substitution.

Does an official do the same if a player is bleeding (but not injured)?

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by bainsey

When a player is injured, an official should direct the timekeeper to start the 20-second clock for the interval of time needed for a substitution.

Does an official do the same if a player is bleeding (but not injured)?

see rule 3-3-7

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

When a player is injured, an official should direct the timekeeper to start the 20-second clock for the interval of time needed for a substitution.

Does an official do the same if a player is bleeding (but not injured)?

Is bleeding not an injury?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Is bleeding not an injury?

If not, it is the direct result of an injury.

[bainsey]

I'm questioning a RefSchool ruling.

Rule 3-3-7 says nothing about the 20-second I.O.T. I suppose bleeding is an injury, but getting someone else's blood on your uni isn't, and you're still coming out nonetheless.

This is all about the I.O.T.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I'm questioning a RefSchool ruling.

Rule 3-3-7 says nothing about the 20-second I.O.T. I suppose bleeding is an injury, but getting someone else's blood on your uni isn't, and you're still coming out nonetheless.

This is all about the I.O.T.

Did you read the new case book plays? Or the old ones?

[bainsey]

Couldn't find anything in the case book, JR, but upon further review, 2-12-5 clearly says the timer will sound a warning signal five seconds into the 20-second interval used when "a player [is] directed to leave the game."

The RefSchool question that spawned this thread reads:

"B-1 is directed to the bench because of blood on his/her uniform.
The official directs the timer to start the 20-second clock to replace B-1. Is the official correct?"

I had YES. RefSchool says NO, citing 2-12-5 and 10-5-3, the latter which has nothing to do with the question.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Is bleeding not an injury?

Some would say No, but is sign of a foul!!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Is bleeding not an injury?

Bleeding may be an injury, but blood on a uniform, especially blood from another player, certainly is not, but it's still treated like an injury, the player is directed to leave the game.

[bainsey]

One of the things I asked my board's interpreter is whether we should or shouldn't ask the coach if he wants a time out, when presented with a bleeding player. According to him, it's neither forbidden nor mandatory.

Still, it sounds like a pretty good idea to me, depending on the knowledge of the coach.

[Joel Poli]

The original question had blood on the uniform, it has nothing to do w/ an injury. how do we know that the blood came from the player in question? no TO needed, No 20 sec. IOT needed, just need to change the shirt, make # correction in the scorebook if needed and get the player back in the game (NFHS casebook play 3.3.7 sit A). answer is no.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Joel Poli

The original question had blood on the uniform, it has nothing to do w/ an injury. how do we know that the blood came from the player in question? no TO needed, No 20 sec. IOT needed, just need to change the shirt, make # correction in the scorebook if needed and get the player back in the game (NFHS casebook play 3.3.7 sit A). answer is no.

Joel, that case play doesn't definitively mention whether a TO must be granted to keep the player in the game. Case book play 3.3.7SitC discusses blood on a player, and in that case a TO request must be made to keep the player in the game. Note that rule 3-3-7 says that a player with blood on their uni is directed to leave the game, and can only stay in if a TO is granted and the player is ready to go at the end of that TO. Also, the NOTES: (Arts. 6,7) in the rule book also covers a player with blood on their uni, as per rule 3-3-7. And the NOTES also say that a TO must be granted to keep the player in the game if they are directed to leave for injury/blood as outlined in 3-3-6 & 3-3-7.

Iow a granted TO is needed to keep the player with blood on their uni in the game, but NO 20-second IOT is needed if that TO is granted.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

One of the things I asked my board's interpreter is whether we should or shouldn't ask the coach if he wants a time out, when presented with a bleeding player. According to him, it's neither forbidden nor mandatory.

What did your board interpreter tell you to do with a player with blood on his uni? Did your board interpreter tell you that you MUST direct the timer to start the 20-second clock for replacing the player even if you do grant a TO request to keep that player in the game?

Or do you only ask certain questions of your board interpreter?

Just wondering, bainsey.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What did your board interpreter tell you to do with a player with blood on his uni? Did your board interpreter tell you that you MUST direct the timer to start the 20-second clock for replacing the player even if you do grant a TO request to keep that player in the game?.

Since you asked nicely, JR...

The conversation was more about mechanics and procedure than rules. Specifically, I asked if it's required or forbidden to ask a coach if he wants a time out to keep a removed player in the game. I was told it's optional.