NFHS 2010-11 Basketball Exam Questions

[biggravy]

Ahhhhh (lightbulb comes on)...

EDIT: I found this thread that I did not see when I searched earlier for my answer.

Copy of the NFHS Test (no not the answers)

On that particular day, I guess folks weren't so pissy and the following answer was provided:

Originally Posted by rsl

Since you are from Utah, and in Utah the test is open book with essentially unlimited time, your request is reasonable.

However, that is not the case in other states and usually this kind of request will get some harsh replies from this forum.

The Salt lake chapter usually makes a copy of the exam available to its members to help them study. It is not available yet, and won't be until the official testing period starts in Utah.

Send me a message when the test is available online and I'll see if I have by then.

Since ignorance is no excuse for violating the forum code of honor I sentence myself to seven hours of reading Chseagle threads.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by biggravy

Since ignorance is no excuse for violating the forum code of honor I sentence myself to seven hours of reading Chseagle threads.

You will need a certified timer with 40 hours of training to monitor the time you spend.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by biggravy

Since ignorance is no excuse for violating the forum code of honor I sentence myself to seven hours of reading Chseagle threads.

Now that's a bit harsh.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Now that's a bit harsh.

True, but quite funnE

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Now that's a bit harsh.

I was thinking more along the lines of "cruel and unusual"

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by biggravy

On that particular day, I guess folks weren't so pissy and the following answer was provided:

Actually some of us have been pissy for many, many years to the cheating scumbags that come here wanting an early copy of the test and/or the answers. Every single year we go through this. Invariably they always have a good excuse for asking too.

Some states run a closed book, proctored test where you have to attain a certain percentage correct to advance in classifications. If someone posts the exam here early, officials in those states can (and will) take advantage of it. Some have open-book tests on a certain date but also only allow a certain amount of time to complete it. Having the test early obviously is a great advantage there also.

As I said, they're only cheating themselves.

Signed: Pissy Ol' JR

[Scuba_ref]

This year, in both Football and Basketball, Washington State has begun using a 50 question test that is more situational than definitional. In order to properly answer the situational questions you must understand the definitions and then properly apply the rules; a better test in my opinion.

[jritchie]

Is that something you could e'mail to people not from Washington? Sounds like a great tool for practice with situations and rules.

[Scuba_ref]

We typically get a paper copy from the Association - I'll check with them and if okay then I could scan that in and email it to you if you send me your email address, debit card and pin (Mark P. would want me to ask) via pm. Our first meeting is on Nov. 3

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Some have open-book tests on a certain date but also only allow a certain amount of time to complete it. Having the test early obviously is a great advantage there also.

As I said, they're only cheating themselves.

Signed: Pissy Ol' JR

I must have missed something in your argument. How in the heck is it an advantage to take an open book test and get that test early? We used to take this test and I never saw an advantage by having the test early. It was not a secret?

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I must have missed something in your argument. How in the heck is it an advantage to take an open book test and get that test early?

The advantage, obviously, would be that one could look up the answers in advance before taking the actual test.

Having said that, I find it disturbing to think that any official with the most basic rules knowledge would think it necessary to look for an extra advantage to pass an open book test.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The advantage, obviously, would be that one could look up the answers in advance before taking the actual test.

No, it is not obvious. Getting the test in "advance" did not do anything for us. And when you say getting the test in advance, I am not sure what the heck we would be getting the test in advance of? We basically had two months to take the exam and that time was based on when you got the mail.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Having said that, I find it disturbing to think that any official with the most basic rules knowledge would think it necessary to look for an extra advantage to pass an open book test.

I just took a University exam that was open book. The class was a graduate course and me and two others took the exam together. We had to answer 4 questions based on our readings. The teacher told us we could take the exam together if we liked.

I will never understand why people believe the NF test is a testing of rules knowledge. Sorry, but I know what a basketball looks like and I do not need to know the exact circumference of the basketball as I have never measured it personally before a game. If our basketball test is the same as our football one was, then that is a much better test of rules knowledge. Multiple choice (or guess ) and not only must we know what to call, but we must know what we are going to do after the call. I have seen people not even know how to apply a Team Control Foul or a Double Foul because all the so-called test does is test them know what the wording is, but they have no idea how to apply it to the game when called.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No, it is not obvious. Getting the test in "advance" did not do anything for us. And when you say getting the test in advance, I am not sure what the heck we would be getting the test in advance of? We basically had two months to take the exam and that time was based on when you got the mail.

Peace

In this case, I agree, not an advantage. A more conventional format, perhaps, would be like the one in our state. You log in, click start, and you have one hour to answer the 60 questions on the test. A person who felt the need to verify almost every question in the books could obviously benefit tremendously from having the questions in advance of the start of this one hour allotted time period.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

In this case, I agree, not an advantage. A more conventional format, perhaps, would be like the one in our state. You log in, click start, and you have one hour to answer the 60 questions on the test. A person who felt the need to verify almost every question in the books could obviously benefit tremendously from having the questions in advance of the start of this one hour allotted time period.

I do not know if that is more conventional. From what I understand the majority of the country took the test in a similar fashion as we used to. We took the paper copy and took the test and submitted our answers over a period of time. The NF test is 100 questions, not 60 and we had to answer them all. Now if your state decided to come up with another method that is fine. But I do not believe that was similar to others across the country. And many states that did not take the NF test, created their own. My point is not everyone asking for a copy (like I would) has a nefarious reason to want a copy. I want a copy just to see what they are asking. Our state created their own and is not in a T/F format. So that test will do me no good except to learn what is being asked by the NF.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

A more conventional format, perhaps, would be like the one in our state. You log in, click start, and you have one hour to answer the 60 questions on the test. A person who felt the need to verify almost every question in the books could obviously benefit tremendously from having the questions in advance of the start of this one hour allotted time period.

And that's exactly why I made my previous statements. All states are NOT the same. What may not be an advantage in one state may be a huge advantage in another state. And the test results may be fairly meaningless in one state, while they might have playoff assignment implications in another.

That's why posting a full standard NFHS exam early on this forum that can be copied by anyone in any state might not be an advantage in any way for one area but might be a perfect opportunity for cheating in another area. And since there's no real advantage gained by discussing the odd individual exam question early here anyway, what real need is there for a complete test to be posted. And posting a full copy of the answers is similarly ridiculous, but even more-so.

And as I've said repeatedly, if you can't answer average rules questions without the aid of the rule book, you shouldn't be out on the court in a good game anyway imo. You don't have time out there to go find a book and look up what you're supposed to call. You're only cheating yourself if you depend on looking up answers.

JMO.