Blarge administration

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

The double foul penalty on the blarge is in the rule in NFHS and NCAA-M, so that is how it needs to be enforced. If a crew is mechanically sound, it will never happen, just like a correctable error will never happen to a crew that follows all the prescribed mechaincs. But, if a blarge does happen, the NCAA-W rule is still the best way, overall rule-wise, to handle it, just like any other double-whistle situation.

And you feel that way because you work that level. I am OK with that, but that does not mean the rest of us or anyone that does not work that level has to agree that is the best way. Because as Cameron said, that philosophy has holes in it. I admit that a blarge is not ideal for anyone, but at least you are not arbitrarily choosing who gets the call. Because one of the blarges I have had in my career was in transition in the middle of the court. There was no "primary" at least listed. At least we followed a hard fast rule. The NCAAW side seems like we might decide based on the ego of the individuals rather than just a hard fast rule. And just like a correctable error there is no wiggle room how to solve the problem. The NCAAW side created a lot of wiggle room if you ask me.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And just like a correctable error there is no wiggle room how to solve the problem.

I kinda like having wiggle room when solving problems.

But, hey, I farm for a living. My whole life is wiggle room.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And you feel that way because you work that level. I am OK with that, but that does not mean the rest of us or anyone that does not work that level has to agree that is the best way. Because as Cameron said, that philosophy has holes in it. I admit that a blarge is not ideal for anyone, but at least you are not arbitrarily choosing who gets the call. Because one of the blarges I have had in my career was in transition in the middle of the court. There was no "primary" at least listed. At least we followed a hard fast rule. The NCAAW side seems like we might decide based on the ego of the individuals rather than just a hard fast rule. And just like a correctable error there is no wiggle room how to solve the problem. The NCAAW side created a lot of wiggle room if you ask me.

Peace

I'm not sure what "holes" you and Camron are talking about, especially compared to how other double-whistle situations are handled.

Here's my main complaint about this rule - the NFHS and NCAA-M handle this one particular double-whistle situation differently than any other double-whistle situation. As I asked Camron, how would you handle this: in a dual-coverage area, you blow your whistle for a foul, and you partner blows their whistle for a travel. (Or, for that matter, pick any other double-whistle situation where you and your partner have different calls.) How do you handle that? I don't think you would come out and say "Since we both had a whistle, we're going to penalize both the travel and the foul". Of course not; you either get together and come out with one call (whose primary?), or perhaps one official steps up strongly and says "I've got it, it's mine." Is there "wiggle room" in that procedure? I guess so. Is one call made because of ego? Perhaps. But that's how double-whistles are normally handled. Until we get to this one particular double-whistle situation: the blarge. Why not handle it the same way as any other double-whistle?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I'm not sure what "holes" you and Camron are talking about, especially compared to how other double-whistle situations are handled.

Here's my main complaint about this rule - the NFHS and NCAA-M handle this one particular double-whistle situation differently than any other double-whistle situation. As I asked Camron, how would you handle this: in a dual-coverage area, you blow your whistle for a foul, and you partner blows their whistle for a travel. (Or, for that matter, pick any other double-whistle situation where you and your partner have different calls.) How do you handle that? I don't think you would come out and say "Since we both had a whistle, we're going to penalize both the travel and the foul". Of course not; you either get together and come out with one call (whose primary?), or perhaps one official steps up strongly and says "I've got it, it's mine." Is there "wiggle room" in that procedure? I guess so. Is one call made because of ego? Perhaps. But that's how double-whistles are normally handled. Until we get to this one particular double-whistle situation: the blarge. Why not handle it the same way as any other double-whistle?

Well I would rather have a situation that ties our hands than we can make a decision to choose one based on something no one else understands. Coaches and participants have no idea what our primaries are and honestly do not care. We are told to not to say, "That was not my primary" but all of a sudden in this case we can say that to them because we screwed up "once again" in their mind. Just about every blarge I have had (3 in my career) were a duel or transition. Only one of them could have been justified by the rule the NCAA-W used. The others there would have been in a considerable debate and might have caused problems later if we had to pass this off whose primary that the foul was called. I am sorry; I just do not like that. And Thank God that this is the way it is now. Then again it has been some time since I have had one and one of the reasons I am careful to give a signal when there is a possibility someone else could have something else. And as far as I am concerned we cannot change a rule because a very small percentage of people cannot follow the mechanics. And to be honest this was a problem mainly in one part of the country because they did not value raising their arm/hand/fist before calling a foul. And the NCAA-M mechanics changed so this should really not happen in it is followed.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

You blow your whistle for a foul, and you partner blows their whistle for a travel.

Part of my pregame: On double whistles, let’s both hold our preliminary signal and not give a block or player control signal. Make eye contact with each other. Give the call to whomever has the primary coverage, most often the lead official, unless you definitely have something different that happened first, in which case we’ll talk about it.

Something that will be talked about is one of us holding up a fist for a foul and the other holding up an open hand for a violation, so we get together and discuss it. The conversation usually goes something like this: "I saw your travel but he traveled because he got hammered so let's say we go with the foul because it came first", or, "I saw your foul, but he traveled before he got fouled so let's say that we go with the travel because it came first".