Blarge administration

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

So you think a 200% error rate 50% of the time is better??

Following the correct mechanics only avoids displaying the discrepancy. It doesn't ensure the call is correct when two officials have differing opinions on a play but they held thier whistle and/or signal.


or the chance of getting it doubly wrong.

Huh? Don't you know 67.3% of all statistics are made up?

Camron, I'm not even sure what we're arguing about any more. My position is simply that I don't like the NFHS procedure on the blarge, because it guarantees one player will be charged with a foul that did not commit a foul, simply because the officials did not follow correct mechanics, rather than following the mechanics used in any other double-whistle situation. Two officials getting together after a double-whistle may not guarantee the correct call is made, but it certainly increases the odds. Reporting both fouls in a blarge, however, does guarantee an incorrect call is made every time. That's the part I don't like.

The best way to avoid it is to follow the proper mechanics and don't have a preliminary signal on a double-whistle, and we will never have this discussion when we work together.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

My position is simply that I don't like the NFHS procedure on the blarge, because it guarantees one player will be charged with a foul that did not commit a foul, simply because the officials did not follow correct mechanics, rather than following the mechanics used in any other double-whistle situation. Two officials getting together after a double-whistle may not guarantee the correct call is made, but it certainly increases the odds. Reporting both fouls in a blarge, however, does guarantee an incorrect call is made every time. That's the part I don't like.

And for the record, my position is that we should use the procedure set out in the rule set of the level we're doing. That way we WILL be calling the play the way that the rulesmakers want us to. And whether we personally like or dislike that applicable procedure shouldn't be a factor either.

Blarges happen to the best of us..at all levels. And when they happen, just deal with them the way that you're trained to.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And for the record, my position is that we should use the procedure set out in the rule set of the level we're doing. That way we WILL be calling the play the way that the rulesmakers want us to. And whether we personally like or dislike that applicable procedure shouldn't be a factor either.

Blarges happen to the best of us..at all levels. And when they happen, just deal with them the way that you're trained to.

And, for the record, I agree we should call according to the applicable rules.

Also, for the record, I will be the one grumbling under my breath as I report both fouls in that instance.

[rockyroad]

I watched a crew last year have a blarge and not even know it until they table started blowing the horn to get them over there.

Girl's Varsity - very close game. Late third qtr., H player drives from C's primary, and secondary defender steps in - BAM! C and L both blow whistles at the same time. C signals block and L signals PC. C turns around and reports his block while L is making sure everyone gets up ok from the pile. Then L jogs out and reports his PC. Table sits there for about 5 seconds looking really confused and then clock operator starts blowing the horn.

Get the whole crew over there...they discuss, and administer everything correctly. But man, did they look bad in the process. In the locker room after the game they walked in and the first words out of the R's mouth were "What the he!! happened on that play?"

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

And, for the record, I agree we should call according to the applicable rules.

Agree.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Also, for the record, I will be the one grumbling under my breath as I report both fouls in that instance.

And you would be happier yielding to your partner who called a charge when you KNOW that the defender slid in after the shooter was airborne but your partner couldn't see that from his/her angle?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And you would be happier yielding to your partner who called a charge when you KNOW that the defender slid in after the shooter was airborne but your partner couldn't see that from his/her angle?

Who said I would do that?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Who said I would do that?

You did...

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

In NCAA-W, the two officials get to come together to get the call correct, instead of charging one team with a foul they didn't earn or deserve, simply due to officials not following proper mechanics.

If you're working NCAA-W, you don't have a choice if it is in your partner's primary...even if you had a better view of the play and had the correct call.

You made the claim that the two officials get together and make the "correct cal". But in reality, the only decision being made is where the play occured relative to primaries. That determines the call...but it doesn't make it the correct call.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You did...



If you're working NCAA-W, you don't have a choice if it is in your partner's primary...even if you had a better view of the play and had the correct call.

You made the claim that the two officials get together and make the "correct cal". But in reality, the only decision being made is where the play occured relative to primaries. That determines the call...but it doesn't make it the correct call.

Camron, you are 100% wrong. (Well, ok, I didn't make up that statistic.)

You are basing your opinion on one of two things - either a lack of understanding of the NCAA-W's mechanic, or a lack of trust in how two officials are taught to handle any double-whistle situation.

Let me ask you how you would handle this play: you are T, I am L. You have a drive start in your primary, going to the basket. There is enough contact at the basket to warrant a foul call, and both of us blow the whistle and hold up a fist. What do you do now?