Mechanics you use

[CaRef5]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Mark-

For two person mechanics, off of the top of my head:

* Officials switch on a foul only when the lead calls a shooting foul. The calling official goes table side (this was done here before NFHS adopted it).

* Positioning of officials on timeouts. We use the old method where officials stand at the top of the three point arc for 30 second timeouts and on the block for full time outs.

* A recommended mechanic here during pre-game is to blow the whistle when the officials enter the gym in order to prevent any shenanigans during warm ups.

I don't think there are any other differences. Hopefully another Texan can fill in anything I missed.

As far as to why, I'm sure there are some reasons but I haven't been told anything. Texas likes to do things differently.

Your association/league actually encourages this?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CaRef5

Your association/league actually encourages this?

It's used in several areas. Dunking is "allowed" until the officials arrive. To avoid having the officials make a tough decision on seeing the end of a dunk just as they "turn the corner" into the gym, the officials blow a whistle, wait a beat and then go on the court.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's used in several areas. Dunking is "allowed" until the officials arrive. To avoid having the officials make a tough decision on seeing the end of a dunk just as they "turn the corner" into the gym, the officials blow a whistle, wait a beat and then go on the court.

Well said, Bob.

I just work here. That's what they tell us they expect, that's what I do. I don't mind it as it is preventative in nature, especially for those 7th Grade girl's games that have a tendency to turn into dunk contests. (Channeling my inner Padgett)

[CaRef5]

so just as you walk onto the floor you just call attention to yourself and "announce" your arrival by blowing the whistle? that seems a bit odd! but hey if in rome right?!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's used in several areas. Dunking is "allowed" until the officials arrive. To avoid having the officials make a tough decision on seeing the end of a dunk just as they "turn the corner" into the gym, the officials blow a whistle, wait a beat and then go on the court.

We train our officials exactly the opposite. We tell them to simply walk out on the court. And if they see someone dunking while doing so, immediately call the technical foul. We also tell the coaches in a pre-season meeting that it will be done that way. We don't think it's a tough decision; we think it's a no-brainer. See a dunk..call a dunk. If you're not sure that it actually was a dunk though when you're walking in, don't call it(which holds true for the entire warm-up).

And heaven help the official who tries to pretend that they didn't see an obvious dunk.

The rationale is that the rule has been in the book for umpty-ump years, and everybody in the gym knows that.

Nothing the matter imo with other areas handling it differently though, as long as they are consistent. At least, they're not ignoring dunks during the warm-up.

[JRutledge]

I am not a fan of that which is why I do not do it. What I will do is not come out looking for such things either. If we see it we call it. Most of the time I have to tell kids to stay off the rim because they are close instead of having to call something at all. I am just trying to start the game with a jump ball, not penalize a kid for something iffy. Then again that is me and it has worked that way for years.

Peace

[Judtech]

But what is a dunk? Sure we all know the 2 handed rim rocker with the player swinging from the rim is a dunk. But what about the 'finger roll' dunk? You know the kid who lays the ball over the front of the rim, then tries to grab the rim so people THINK he dunked?? Or what if the player is above the rim and as he drops it down into the basket, his hand/wrists bump into the rim but they do not grasp it???
Ok, I dont see this much on the NCAA W side, and I can neither confirm not deny personally participating in ANY of the above posted scenarios!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Judtech

But what is a dunk? Sure we all know the 2 handed rim rocker with the player swinging from the rim is a dunk. But what about the 'finger roll' dunk? You know the kid who lays the ball over the front of the rim, then tries to grab the rim so people THINK he dunked?? Or what if the player is above the rim and as he drops it down into the basket, his hand/wrists bump into the rim but they do not grasp it???

See NFHS rule 4-16. The player has or attempt to drive, force or push the ball down. That's all you need to know. Judgment call. Any doubt, don't call it. Simply dropping the ball down has never been a "T".

Grabbing the ring is a technical foul also. Touching the ring isn't unless you feel that the player is doing so deliberately to vibrate the basket/backboard and put on a show. Handle with care.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

See NFHS rule 4-16. The player has or attempt to drive, force or push the ball down. That's all you need to know. Judgment call. Any doubt, don't call it. Simply dropping the ball down has never been a "T".

Grabbing the ring is a technical foul also. Touching the ring isn't unless you feel that the player is doing so deliberately to vibrate the basket/backboard and put on a show. Handle with care.

Yes yes, but is it a DUNK?!?! Ground bound hoopsters the world around are dying to know!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

See NFHS rule 4-16. The player has or attempt to drive, force or push the ball down. That's all you need to know. Judgment call. Any doubt, don't call it. Simply dropping the ball down has never been a "T".

Grabbing the ring is a technical foul also. Touching the ring isn't unless you feel that the player is doing so deliberately to vibrate the basket/backboard and put on a show. Handle with care.

This is why I tell them to knock that off when they are putting the ball in the hole that way. I just do not want someone to forget or get up their and feel they need to hang on the rim for any reason.

Peace

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What I will do is not come out looking for such things either. If we see it we call it.

This is my preferred approach. This is a situation where I will not go looking for trouble, though trouble occasionally insists on being found.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Most of the time I have to tell kids to stay off the rim because they are close instead of having to call something at all.

Again, I'm on board here. If I can talk a kid out of doing something dumb, I will try. Usually a, "Please don't make me decide if you are dunking" puts an end to anything iffy.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am just trying to start the game with a jump ball, not penalize a kid for something iffy.

Though some might consider this attitude some flavor of looking for a way to not take care of business, my understanding of the purpose of the no pre-game dunk rule is to prevent damage to equipment or injury to players. As long as neither of those is an issue, I will attempt to curtail iffy behavior rather than penalize it.

That is only for iffy behavior; if it's obvious it gets the call.

[CaRef5]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I will attempt to curtail iffy behavior rather than penalize it.

That is only for iffy behavior; if it's obvious it gets the call.

This is exactly how i view it

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

OhioHSAA and MichiganHSAA use NFHS Mechanics. And when I officiate games using NFHS Rules I use NFHS Mechanics. That said there are one or two NCAA mechanics that I use in an NFHS game; the one that comes to mind is where the L stands for the first of two and the first two of three free throws, I use the long time Women's mechanic of being next to and just behind the player in the first block.

MTD, Sr.

[APG]

Originally Posted by CaRef5

Your association/league actually encourages this?

We were encouraged in our association to do this as well.