Help with 7-1-1

[Rufus]

I'm re-reading my rule book in prep for the coming season and came across 7-1-1:

A player is out of bounds when he/she touches the floor, or any object other than a player/person, on or outside the boundary.

I'm trying to picture how the bolded section plays out. A1 and B1 both scramble for the ball. A1 dives and misses the ball and their momentum carries them out of bounds. B1, who dove after A1 did, secures the ball and lands on top of A1 with no other part of their body touching out of bounds.

Based on the rule citation would B1 be considered out of bounds?

[Adam]

Nope, but I've probably got a foul on B1.

The rule generally comes into play around the benches.

Technically, I think a player could jump in the air, land on the players sitting on the bench, and not be OOB until he/she touches either a seat or the floor.

[M&M Guy]

Think of it this way - the rule prevents an unfair advantage by the defense by simply stepping OOB, and reaching out and touching the offensive player with the ball to then cause the offensive player to now be OOB.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Think of it this way - the rule prevents an unfair advantage by the defense by simply stepping OOB, and reaching out and touching the offensive player with the ball to then cause the offensive player to now be OOB.

Not to hijack my own post, but aren't you referring to 7-1-2a1 that states a ball is out of bounds when it touches or is touched by a player who is out of bounds?

Snaqs answered my original question and I'm still trying to chew on that one (not that the technical rule interpt is wrong, but rather how I'd explain it to a coach during a game).

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Not to hijack my own post, but aren't you referring to 7-1-2(a)1 that states a ball is out of bounds when it touches or is touched by a player who is out of bounds?

Snaqs answered my original question and I'm still trying to chew on that one (not that the technical rule interpt is wrong, but rather how I'd explain it to a coach during a game).

Not exactly; 7-1-2 refers to the ball, while 7-1-1 refers to the player.

If B1 is standing OOB, or even just has 1 foot OOB, they are considered OOB per 4-35-2. Now, if A1, who is holding the ball, happens to touch B1, (or B1 reaches out and touches A1), and the "player/person" exception wasn't in 7-1-1, A1 would be now have caused the ball to go OOB, and would have committed a violation. I believe the exception also prevents a player who may be standing fully inbounds, and accidentally touching a player or coach who is fully OOB, from also committing a violation.

If B1, with one foot OOB, touched the ball while A1 is holding it, B1 would have caused the ball to go OOB, and would be the one to have committed a violation, as per 7-1-2.

[Rufus]

Thanks M&M, that cleared it up.

[Judtech]

Oh I thought this was a thread about what is the best thing to order at 7/11, my bad

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Oh I thought this was a thread about what is the best thing to order at 7/11, my bad

The Slurpee - duh.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I believe the exception also prevents a player who may be standing fully inbounds, and accidentally touching a player or coach who is fully OOB, from also committing a violation.

Corrected the above statement.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Corrected the above statement.

While I know that's not the wording in the rule, I simply put that in for information. Can you think of any reason A1 would purposely touch a player or coach who's standing OOB?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

While I know that's not the wording in the rule, I simply put that in for information. Can you think of any reason A1 would purposely touch a player or coach who's standing OOB?

Sure: a high five.
Also, situations could arise where a coach would touch his player (loud gym).

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sure: a high five.
Also, situations could arise where a coach would touch his player (loud gym).

Well, I suppose you could also see a coach slap a player 'up side the head for not running the play correctly, too...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

While I know that's not the wording in the rule, I simply put that in for information. Can you think of any reason A1 would purposely touch a player or coach who's standing OOB?

Yes, if a player were losing his balance and someone to keep him from falling.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Well, I suppose you could also see a coach slap a player 'up side the head for not running the play correctly, too...

Now was that so hard?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yes, if a player were losing his balance and someone to keep him from falling.

What if the player is holding the ball, but losing his balance so he reaches over and puts his hand on a photographer who kneeling in the OOB area near the court? This action allows the player to regain his balance and not contact the OOB area.