3-5-2c discussion

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I'm not going to get into a semantics and definitions discussion here. Ill leave the jewelry to my wife!

I'll say this though ......the officials ON THE FLOOR are responsible for policing what the players are permitted to wear or not.

As for those of you at the table, as has been said before - don't worry about it.

How often do floor officials notice a player on the floor with a necklace or earrings?

I am asking to see what the varying responses are.

To some any & all piercings are jewelry, to others it just depends on the location oif the piercing(s).

How the rule is stated, no jewelry allowed, does that include body piercings no matter the location, & if so how can that be enforced?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How often do floor officials notice a player on the floor with a necklace or earrings?

I am asking to see what the varying responses are.

To some any & all piercings are jewelry, to others it just depends on the location of the piercing(s).

How the rule is stated, no jewelry allowed, does that include body piercings no matter the location, & if so how can that be enforced?

I do a lot of girls V games. After we enter the court I look very carefully for berets, pins, earrings, necklaces, etc. Hair devices can be especially tough to spot depending on hair/device color. But, many are shiny and I catch the glare off the lights. If I see em I call the player over and tell them to get rid of em.

At the Captain's meeting they are specifically told about jewelry. At the coaches meeting - we ask the coaches, "Are your players properly equipt and ready to play?"

If after that I notice a player on the court with jewelry on......TWEEEEET! "Coach, I need another player, this one's not ready." AND, I send them off. No taking it off as they walk to the bench, etc. They're gone until the next dead ball.

Usually, the players learn quickly and it's not a problem as the yr goes on.

We've had the discussion about body piercings here before too.

Bottom Line - If I see it I take care of it.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by grunewar

After we enter the court I look very carefully for berets....

Like this one?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Like this one?

Illegal. Go sit down!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Illegal. Go sit down!

For medical or cosmetic reasons – In the event a participant is required by a licensed medical physician to cover his/her head with a covering or wrap, the physician's statement is required before the state association can approve a covering or wrap which is not abrasive, hard or dangerous to any other player and which is attached in such a way it is highly unlikely that it will come off during play.

Maybe she's covering her lobotomy incision? Mark Padgett, what did you use to cover your lobotomy incision?

For religious reasons – In the event there is documented evidence provided to the state association that a participant may not expose his/her uncovered head, the state association may approve a covering or wrap which is not abrasive, hard or dangerous to any other player and which is attached in such a way it is highly unlikely it will come off during play.

Maybe she belongs to the Corporal Louis LeBeau Church of the Blessed Beret?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Maybe she belongs to the Corporal Louis LeBeau Church of the Blessed Beret?

Then, I might turn to my mentor for advice...of course Referee Schutlz would probably advise me to "Hear nothing and see nothing!"

I might have a tough time with that though.......

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Referee Schutlz.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Maybe she's covering her lobotomy incision? Mark Padgett, what did you use to cover your lobotomy incision?

Oh, snap!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Mark Padgett, what did you use to cover your lobotomy incision?

Haven't had one. I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Like this one?

Typical French. Most people wear berets to the right!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I do a lot of girls V games. After we enter the court I look very carefully for berets, pins, earrings, necklaces, etc. Hair devices can be especially tough to spot depending on hair/device color. But, many are shiny and I catch the glare off the lights. If I see em I call the player over and tell them to get rid of em.

At the Captain's meeting they are specifically told about jewelry. At the coaches meeting - we ask the coaches, "Are your players properly equipt and ready to play?"

If after that I notice a player on the court with jewelry on......TWEEEEET! "Coach, I need another player, this one's not ready." AND, I send them off. No taking it off as they walk to the bench, etc. They're gone until the next dead ball.

Usually, the players learn quickly and it's not a problem as the yr goes on.

We've had the discussion about body piercings here before too.

Bottom Line - If I see it I take care of it.

Hey, grune, got a rules citation to back up the procedure that you use?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Hey, grune, got a rules citation to back up the procedure that you use?

After rereading that same post quoted, I was asking myself the same question.

Since jewelry (except MedAlert & Religious) is prohibited, shouldn't that be a technical against that player?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

After rereading that same post quoted, I was asking myself the same question.

From your second sentence, we are NOT asking the same question.

Originally Posted by chseagle

Since jewelry (except MedAlert & Religious) is prohibited, shouldn't that be a technical against that player?

No, it is NOT a technical foul of any kind. Please don't muddy the waters with that. I'm asking grune a legit question about his method for handling a player wearing an illegal item during the game. Please allow him to respond and answer it.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

From your second sentence, we are NOT asking the same question.


No, it is NOT a technical foul of any kind. Please don't muddy the waters with that. I'm asking grune a legit question about his method for handling a player wearing an illegal item during the game. Please allow him to respond and answer it.

There is no need to get snooty when I am asking a valid question. Since jewelry is prohibited (not allowed, illegal, not part of uniform), some may think that it should be a technical foul. I was asking for clarification.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

There is no need to get snooty when I am asking a valid question. Since jewelry is prohibited (not allowed, illegal, not part of uniform), some may think that it should be a technical foul. I was asking for clarification.

I was not being snooty. I was expressing my exasperation at having to inform you of a very simple and well-known ruling. Well, that's for any basketball official. Of course, you are not an official, so you don't know it.

3.5.6 SITUATION A: Substitute A6 is beckoned and enters the court to replace
A1. A6 is wearing: (a) compression shorts below the game pants which extend
below the knees; (b) cut-off jeans extending below the game pants; or (c) jewelry.
RULING: The items in (a), (b) and (c) are illegal and A6 will not be allowed to
participate while wearing the items. No penalty is involved. A6 simply cannot
participate until the illegal items are removed. (3-5-7)

Can we now move past what everyone else already knows and focus our time on discussing a real procedural question on this subject without any further distraction from you?

BTW that's me being snooty.