The Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules

[gsf23]

Have any of you ever gone to the table to ask for help on something other than stuff like how many fouls does this one have? I have been running the clock at games for about 8 years now and I have had a crew come to our table asking for help probably once. That was for an end of half shot, and they came to the table asking if we thought they had gotten the shot off in time.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by gsf23

Have any of you ever gone to the table to ask for help on something other than stuff like how many fouls does this one have? I have been running the clock at games for about 8 years now and I have had a crew come to our table asking for help probably once. That was for an end of half shot, and they came to the table asking if we thought they had gotten the shot off in time.

I used this term when being evaluated previosuly and the reply from my evaulator was not good.

You either saw it or you didn't. "Yes" or "No."

"I think so," is not helpful or a good answer.

That's the way I've been taught anyhow.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by gsf23

Have any of you ever gone to the table to ask for help on something other than stuff like how many fouls does this one have? I have been running the clock at games for about 8 years now and I have had a crew come to our table asking for help probably once. That was for an end of half shot, and they came to the table asking if we thought they had gotten the shot off in time.

If I feel that if the personnel at the table a capable of assisting, then I will ask for help. Ex: Last year the assigned table crew did not show up for the JV/Varsity game. Thus 2 students worked the clock and scorebook. These 2 kids were more responsible then the regular crew. There was a time out with around 4 seconds remaining. The gym is noisy, the horn is away from the basket and it is soft. So during the TO I discuss the situation with the table officials about a last second shot. There happened to be a foul. While I reported the foul, I discussed if the whistle sounded before the time expired. Both agreed. Even the Head Coach of the fouling team agreed. If this happened with the regular crew, I wouldn't have been sure if they would have started the clock correctly.
So yes I have asked for assistance, but you have to know the people at the table.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by gsf23

Have any of you ever gone to the table to ask for help on something other than stuff like how many fouls does this one have? I have been running the clock at games for about 8 years now and I have had a crew come to our table asking for help probably once. That was for an end of half shot, and they came to the table asking if we thought they had gotten the shot off in time.

gsf23, one of things I do when I am timer/scoreboard, or when I was scorebook, is that I continually watch the ball, especially during the last minute of the quarter/game. Thankfully as of yet I have not been asked for assistance of this sort, meaning I've had great floor officials that are really on the ball.

Originally Posted by Zoochy

If I feel that if the personnel at the table a capable of assisting, then I will ask for help. Ex: Last year the assigned table crew did not show up for the JV/Varsity game. Thus 2 students worked the clock and scorebook. These 2 kids were more responsible then the regular crew. There was a time out with around 4 seconds remaining. The gym is noisy, the horn is away from the basket and it is soft. So during the TO I discuss the situation with the table officials about a last second shot. There happened to be a foul. While I reported the foul, I discussed if the whistle sounded before the time expired. Both agreed. Even the Head Coach of the fouling team agreed. If this happened with the regular crew, I wouldn't have been sure if they would have started the clock correctly.
So yes I have asked for assistance, but you have to know the people at the table.

Zoochy, were those 2 students basketball players?

Your last statement can go both ways, as it can help the table crew if they know the floor officials. There are a few here that I've built up a comraderie with & we know what is expected of each other as soon as we see the other.

Concerning table crews, how many of them have with them a copy of the rules/regulations concerning the duties of the timer &/or scorer?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning table crews, how many of them have with them a copy of the rules/regulations concerning the duties of the timer &/or scorer?

Just the ones with Alzenheimers that can't remember simple instructions, the ones that can't comprehend simple instructions, and the ones that have the attention span of a gnat.

And you, of course.

It ain't freaking rocket science.

[Kingsman1288]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Just the ones with Alzenheimers that can't remember simple instructions, the ones that can't comprehend simple instructions, and the ones that have the attention span of a gnat.

And you, of course.

It ain't freaking rocket science.

[RefItUp]

I have read somewhere, like a side-one from the NHFS rules or something like that they are indeed Officials of games. And yes, they are suppose to be unbiased...good luck though.

But in my high school, when I didn't have games to officiate myself, or before I was legally allowed to officiate, I worked the table and I was very professional in how I worked. Made sure I had the horn, informed the refs of getting close to bonus, remaining timeouts, etc.

But that's just me.

Overall though, they are indeed to be considered Game Officials or some other terminology similar to that.

-Luke

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by RefItUp

I have read somewhere, like a side-one from the NHFS rules or something like that they are indeed Officials of games. And yes, they are suppose to be unbiased...good luck though.

But in my high school, when I didn't have games to officiate myself, or before I was legally allowed to officiate, I worked the table and I was very professional in how I worked. Made sure I had the horn, informed the refs of getting close to bonus, remaining timeouts, etc.

But that's just me.

Overall though, they are indeed to be considered Game Officials or some other terminology similar to that.

-Luke

I was told something similar, back 9-10 years ago when I was doing timer at a Summer League/AAU game.

Unfortunately, majority where I'm a "table official", I'm the only person there who is neutral/unbiased, as I mostly work JV/C-squad games so the other personnel I work with are either students or parents of the schools participating.

Actually the few Varsity games I've worked, there were some times where a person would be biased/favored of a team but after a few reminders, they ceased their activities till after the game. Overall though, for me, it's easier to work Varsity than JV/C-Squad cause of the personnel.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by gsf23

Have any of you ever gone to the table to ask for help on something other than stuff like how many fouls does this one have?

Yeah. "Where's the men's room?"