Misunderstood Rules

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Player saves the ball and falls OOB. Players is only required to have 1 foot back inbounds (other foot can be in the air) to legally touch the ball again.

Happened to my P a few weeks ago during summer league. My P called it wrong.

Me TWEEEET! I went to him and discussed it. He then overturned the call and went with IW and gave the ball to the right team.

As the R, I went to the bench and explained it to the coach who lost the ball because of my consult and she told me I was sooooo wrong.

I was probably the only one in the gym who knew the proper rule. Shrug

Important thing is to get it right!

[Adam]

Had a veteran partner make this call during summer ball. I did not correct him, even after he took a second to explain his call. I'm not ready to be "that guy" around here yet.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Hmm...glad to see you've narrowed it down to only those 10.

Welllll, I wanted to be fair.

[APG]

I would say the backcourt violation is a rule not understood by a lot of fans and coaches. Most of them are used to seeing the NBA variation of the rule where team control ends when the defense deflects the ball. They do not realize that under NCAA and NF, team control hasn't ended.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I would say the backcourt violation is a rule not understood by a lot of fans and coaches. Most of them are used to seeing the NBA variation of the rule where team control ends when the defense deflects the ball. They do not realize that under NCAA and NF, team control hasn't ended.

Not to mention, many seasoned vets and State rules interpreters!!!

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Not to mention, many seasoned vets and State rules interpreters!!!

Be nice.....

[Johnny Ringo]

Attempting to block a try and in doing so slapping the backboard! This is not goal tending or basket interference and certainly not a technical!

But, I am told I am wrong each time I have no whistle on this play.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I would say the backcourt violation is a rule not understood by a lot of fans and coaches. Most of them are used to seeing the NBA variation of the rule where team control ends when the defense deflects the ball. They do not realize that under NCAA and NF, team control hasn't ended.

I agree. I would also claim that most of them probably do not even know what team control is.

[nebasketball]

I am not an official, but do coach youth and am the boy’s coordinator for our town. I am actually trying to put together a short article (page or 2) for coaches that contains easy to read information about rules of the game (mostly the commonly misunderstood ones) with reference to where to find them in the rules book (we do provide books to our coaches, but I don’t think many read it or understand it).
So backcourt violation is one of them that’s on my list, but I might have wrong. I thought, per 9-9 art 1 and Case Book 9.9.1 Sit C, if the ball touches an opponent in the front court and goes to the backcourt where the team in control recovers then it is not a backcourt violation. Would appreciate you all setting it straight for me.

Thanks,
Steve

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by nebasketball

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So backcourt violation is one of them that’s on my list, but I might have wrong. I thought, per 9-9 art 1 and Case Book 9.9.1 Sit C, if the ball touches an opponent in the front court and goes to the backcourt where the team in control recovers then it is not a backcourt violation. Would appreciate you all setting it straight for me.

Thanks,
Steve

You are correct. The wrinkle that has been discussed here ad nauseum is when the ball is touched by an offensive player in the backcourt during mid-flight, before the ball itself has touched the backcourt.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by nebasketball

I thought, per 9-9 art 1 and Case Book 9.9.1 Sit C, if the ball touches an opponent in the front court and goes to the backcourt where the team in control recovers then it is not a backcourt violation.

Steve, I think we can sum this one up using your own words, "team in control."

In order for a backcourt violation to exist, a team has to be in control of the ball in the frontcourt. Let's say Team A has a throw-in (doesn't matter from where). A-1 throws the ball to A-2 in the frontcourt, but A-2 muffs the pass (touching the ball, but never controlling it), then runs into the backcourt to control the ball. This is a legal play, because a backcourt violation must have team control in the frontcourt in order to exist.

Another misunderstood objection in this case is, "but he already crossed the (division) line earlier. He still can't go back!" The truth is, once the ball is dead (out of bounds or some other defensive infraction, in this case), team control ends, and doesn't exist until the ball is controlled in bounds.

Team/player control is a huge part of the game's rules. There can be no team control until the ball is controlled in-bounds. A throw-in is not team control.

I hope this helps.

[nebasketball]

Thanks for the help.

Steve

[Zoochy]

I love doing this mens league near my house. There are a lot of really good players. Most played in college, some had a cup of coffee playing pro ball, either in the states or over seas. Anyway.... their (lack of) knowledge of the rules is entertaining.
They are always barking about 3 seconds. I explained that the count terminates upon the team shooting the ball. He agreed with a stipulation... "the count ends for the shooter but not for the rest of the team".
Another complaint is about contacting the backboard. They want basket interference or goal tending. Again I inform them that contacting the backboard does not apply to BI or GT.
The continuation rule always brings a 'deer looking into the headlights' expression.
There is nothing like having rules knowledge and application.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by nebasketball

I am not an official, but do coach youth and am the boy’s coordinator for our town. I am actually trying to put together a short article (page or 2) for coaches that contains easy to read information about rules of the game (mostly the commonly misunderstood ones) with reference to where to find them in the rules book (we do provide books to our coaches, but I don’t think many read it or understand it).
So backcourt violation is one of them that’s on my list, but I might have wrong. I thought, per 9-9 art 1 and Case Book 9.9.1 Sit C, if the ball touches an opponent in the front court and goes to the backcourt where the team in control recovers then it is not a backcourt violation. Would appreciate you all setting it straight for me.

Thanks,
Steve

Steve, here are the criteria for a BC violation. All must be met in order.

1. Team control must be established.
2. The ball must gain Front Court status.
3. The team in control must be the last to touch the ball before it gains Back Court status.
4. The team in control must be the first to touch the ball after it gains back court status.

The situation that gets coaches and crowds upset is when the defense tips a ball in the front court; but before it goes into the back court it touches an offensive player. Sort of the "double tip" situation.

[tomegun]

How about continuation? Coaches, fans, and a lot of officials don't understand it. Sure, in an educational setting many officials will say they understand, but will then go out and call a continuation play "on the floor."

The correct penalty for slapping the backboard without making a legit block attempt. How many people see officials count the basket?