When a block is a foul

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I think it's a terrible reason to call a foul and even worse as an explanation to a coach or player.

I disagree. If a defender is jumping toward a shooter and makes advantageous body-to-body contact, how relevant is it that the defender's hand blocked the ball?

Sometimes, partisan folks become myopic and only see the blocked shot, without looking at the whole picture.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I disagree. If a defender is jumping toward a shooter and makes advantageous body-to-body contact, how relevant is it that the defender's hand blocked the ball?

Sometimes, partisan folks become myopic and only see the blocked shot, without looking at the whole picture.

Bainsey,
If you are already committed to a belief on this, then why did you ask for our opinions?
I merely gave you advice which I have found to work for me. If you don't like it, then don't follow it. You may certainly do as you wish when you are officiating.

Also, your response is not the typical play that I was envisioning.
Most plays do not involve a hockey-style body check followed by the player blocking the shot (yes, that's a foul), rather far more common is the player first swatting away the ball and then causing some contact with the body.
If you consistently call that a foul, you won't advance very far from what I've seen.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Bainsey,
If you are already committed to a belief on this, then why did you ask for our opinions?

It's a discussion board, NV. I'm discussing. Besides, who says I'm committed? It's all a suggestion.

Anyway, I think you're right that we're envisioning different things. The example you provide where the swat was clearly before the contact is very different from mine. Your example would seldom be a foul; mine would more frequently. No argument there.

Still, I find that, when there's clear advantageous body contact during a blocked shot, some are too keyed in on the swat that they miss the whole picture, hence my suggested phrase, "The block was clean, the body was not." It's a way of saying, "I saw the block. I'm not calling contact there." A little succinct clarity never hurts.

Of course, you'd think they'd figure it all out when you signal a push or a block, but when people see a blocked shot, the whistle causes an immediate reaction where you don't see (or don't want to see) the corresponding signal.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by bainsey

It's a discussion board, NV. I'm discussing. Besides, who says I'm committed? It's all a suggestion.

Anyway, I think you're right that we're envisioning different things. The example you provide where the swat was clearly before the contact is very different from mine. Your example would seldom be a foul; mine would more frequently. No argument there.

Still, I find that, when there's clear advantageous body contact during a blocked shot, some are too keyed in on the swat that they miss the whole picture, hence my suggested phrase, "The block was clean, the body was not." It's a way of saying, "I saw the block. I'm not calling contact there." A little succinct clarity never hurts.

Of course, you'd think they'd figure it all out when you signal a push or a block, but when people see a blocked shot, the whistle causes an immediate reaction where you don't see (or don't want to see) the corresponding signal.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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