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[DLH17]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Dude, relax. No one is responding to you because it is personal. I am responding to you because I think your point of view is off, completely off to be exact. And I actually would probably hustle more than you to be honest. I used to work a league where they only hired one official and I hustled more than most people here talk about. I just am realistic as to what these games are and I would not be expecting everyone to go balls out for a game they are paid in some cases not a 3rd of what they would make during the regular season.

Peace

My POV is "completely" off? Interesting. Not according to my assignor. He asks for 4 things from his officials: be on time = 15 mins early, call fouls/violations, don't say anything to anyone you don't want repeated and be in position to make calls = hustle.

re: you hustle more than me? what can i say other than, how would you know? i'm sure you are a stallion and can more than hold your own. as i've already said, don't take this personally. this thread wasn't designed with you in mind.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DLH17

My POV is "completely" off? Interesting. Not according to my assignor. He asks for 4 things from his officials: be on time = 15 mins early, call fouls/violations, don't say anything to anyone you don't want repeated and be in position to make calls = hustle.

Well he is wrong too. I have worked multiple games during the summer and off season and never had one assignor ever expect that the games be worked like a regular game. They certainly are not expecting us to report a foul or expecting switching on ever foul. Hell there are guys that do not even use all the signal mechanics and no one cares even the participants. I would be glad I do not work for the people you work for because I would not work for them if you are giving me 4 and 5 games in a row. Sorry, not happening.

Originally Posted by DLH17

re: you hustle more than me? what can i say other than, how would you know? i'm sure you are a stallion and can more than hold your own. as i've already said, don't take this personally. this thread wasn't designed with you in mind.

I used to work a league that used one man officiating. I used to sprint all over the court. There is a thread that is about one person mechanics and usually the recommendations are to run from 3 point line to 3 point line. I would go all over the court and never stopped anywhere and would officiate wherever I needed an angle. Then when I work games now, I sprint to get into position during live ball and have to do so more often if because these leagues do not always run standard offenses. Again, you keep talking about me as if I am responding to only what I do. You came on here talking like you are the one sitting the standard for everyone and because some people have taking you on then they are taking it personally. I find that rather interesting. If you did not want people to respond to what you had to say, why did you put it out there in the first place? My comments are not about me, my comments are about what is should be expected and you have every right to disagree.

I know a lot of officials across the country, not just here. No one I have ever come in personal contact with does what you suggest. Not a one. And that includes guys that work D1 and other levels when it comes to this issue. I have seen for myself guys work games that have a much bigger background in officiating than you or I and hardly run when working for $20. So I guess this is about them too because they would not achieve your standards too?

Peace

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well he is wrong too. I have worked multiple games during the summer and off season and never had one assignor ever expect that the games be worked like a regular game. They certainly are not expecting us to report a foul or expecting switching on ever foul. Hell there are guys that do not even use all the signal mechanics and no one cares even the participants. I would be glad I do not work for the people you work for because I would not work for them if you are giving me 4 and 5 games in a row. Sorry, not happening.

I'll be sure to let him know you said that being in position during tournament games that he schedules is not important. (blue font)

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I used to work a league that used one man officiating. I used to sprint all over the court. There is a thread that is about one person mechanics and usually the recommendations are to run from 3 point line to 3 point line. I would go all over the court and never stopped anywhere and would officiate wherever I needed an angle. Then when I work games now, I sprint to get into position during live ball and have to do so more often if because these leagues do not always run standard offenses. Again, you keep talking about me as if I am responding to only what I do. You came on here talking like you are the one sitting the standard for everyone and because some people have taking you on then they are taking it personally. I find that rather interesting. If you did not want people to respond to what you had to say, why did you put it out there in the first place? My comments are not about me, my comments are about what is should be expected and you have every right to disagree.

I'm not setting any standard(s)...just striving to work up to the level of more experienced officials and the example they set.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I know a lot of officials across the country, not just here. No one I have ever come in personal contact with does what you suggest. Not a one. And that includes guys that work D1 and other levels when it comes to this issue. I have seen for myself guys work games that have a much bigger background in officiating than you or I and hardly run when working for $20. So I guess this is about them too because they would not achieve your standards too?

Peace

I work for more than just the $20. Since I don't know the same people you know, it's impossible to know why they do what they do the way they do it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I'll be sure to let him know you said that being in position during tournament games that he schedules is not important. (blue font)

I do not work for him so I really am not concerned what he thinks.

Originally Posted by DLH17

I'm not setting any standard(s)...just striving to work up to the level of more experienced officials and the example they set.

Good for you. But as people pointed out that those standards you quoted did not include the thing you are advocating. That says it all.

Originally Posted by DLH17

I work for more than just the $20. Since I don't know the same people you know, it's impossible to know why they do what they do the way they do it.

I get paid around $60 a game for a high school game. I get over $100 for a college game (in some cases $150). I am not exerting the same amount of energy for one high school or college game that I am working for an AAU game. And no one I know that works is doing the same either. I even worked at a college game a couple of "paid" games and I can tell you that I did not do the same things during the "paid" game as I did when the camp games were going on. And no one did when I watched them work. But if you claim you do that is fine with me. And I will even take it a step further, I know many officials that will not hustle that much during live ball play. Why? Because they are being paid a fraction of what they would make and you are asking them to work multiple games in a row or over the course of a few days. And that is why many people here are calling what you saying as BS.

Look, do what you want and expect what you want, but do not expect that people will agree with you.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

My POV is "completely" off? Interesting. Not according to my assignor. He asks for 4 things from his officials: be on time = 15 mins early, call fouls/violations, don't say anything to anyone you don't want repeated and be in position to make calls = hustle.
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I noticed switching on all fouls and reporting fouls from the proper reporting area on not on his list.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I noticed switching on all fouls and reporting fouls from the proper reporting area on not on his list.

Falls under the category of "hustling", no?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

My POV is "completely" off? Interesting. Not according to my assignor. He asks for 4 things from his officials: be on time = 15 mins early, call fouls/violations, don't say anything to anyone you don't want repeated and be in position to make calls = hustle.
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I noticed switching on all fouls and reporting fouls from the proper reporting area on not on his list.

Originally Posted by DLH17

Falls under the category of "hustling", no?

Re-read your original post. I don't see how you come about that conclusion. You listed 4 specific requirements laid out by your assignor.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Re-read your original post. I don't see how you come about that conclusion. You listed 4 specific requirements laid out by your assignor.

those are 4 main criteria. of course, he periodically sends e-mail blasts and tells us in person at meetings additional things that he likes for us to do (or not do) on the court. not sure he's ever just sent a comprehensive be all end all list of is "things to do". but, those are the some of the things that have stuck with me over the years.