"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

OK, help me out here. What is MAYB???

Thanks for asking, Rock. I'm on the other coast, and hadn't heard of it, either. Sounds like the equivalent of AAU in our area.

Nice reply, Judtech. I'd have to resist the temptation of saying, "You're ONLY 52?!" (That wouldn't end well.)

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Thanks for asking, Rock. I'm on the other coast, and hadn't heard of it, either. Sounds like the equivalent of AAU in our area.

Nice reply, Judtech. I'd have to resist the temptation of saying, "You're ONLY 52?!" (That wouldn't end well.)

In terms of the level of play, AAU is much much better around here, imo. But, MAYB is a growing organization that attracts a lot of teams - good and bad - to dozens of tournaments with 5 game guarantees.

AAU ball around here uses a shot clock and, depending on age group, allows a player 6 personal fouls. MAYB does not utilize a shot clock and allows 5 player personals only.

As far as that 52 yr old Grandma-fan, when she approached me, she had a pleasant look on her face and extended her hand. I shook her hand (which turned out to be a mistake cuz she wouldn't let it go until she made her point). That's when she said, "I'm 52 years old". Of course, I immediately smiled and said "No no no! You look more like FORTY 2."

Unfortunately, she didn't fall over dead from being killed by my kindness. She wouldn't let go of my hand until I had all I could take of her perfume, hand lotion and criticism.

[JRutledge]

I have worked many of the alphabet soup leagues and all of them are basically the same. I do not know why this league would be much different as you still have coaches and fans that are clueless. And the kids are made up of players from different places or schools than who they would normally play with. The only difference I see is when we work these games from an officiating camp standpoint. As those camps encourage officials to take care of business and we are being evaluated for how we handle the coaches and players. Other than that, I do not see how these individuals behave differently.

Peace

[theboys]

"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

Shoot, man, I use that line about twice a month. I try not to use it on the same referees, though.

[DLH17]

I have to admit that, among many reasons for poor behavior by fans, coaches and players, one of those may well be "lazy officiating". I've given up a large pctg of my games this spring/early summer so I can attend my daughter's 12U games at some of these MAYB tournaments. And, to be honest, I'm appalled by the lack of hustle and interest on the part of the officials working some of her games. Little to no switching, reporting from the baseline by the lead official, no bump and run.

Anyone that watched me work this weekend (w/ the exception of 52 yr old granny super fan) saw an official that was working his butt off. I despise laziness.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I have to admit that, among many reasons for poor behavior by fans, coaches and players, one of those may well be "lazy officiating". I've given up a large pctg of my games this spring/early summer so I can attend my daughter's 12U games at some of these MAYB tournaments. And, to be honest, I'm appalled by the lack of hustle and interest on the part of the officials working some of her games. Little to know switching, reporting from the baseline by the lead official, no bump and run.

Anyone that watched me work this weekend (w/ the exception of 52 yr old granny super fan) saw an official that was working his butt off. I despise laziness.

I think sometimes it's lazy, others it's ignorance. Many newer officials working these leagues don't know jack about switching, reporting fouls, or positioning. Hell, half the time you're grateful when they're not both on the same side of the court. They're new, it's where they learn.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think sometimes it's lazy, others it's ignorance. Many newer officials working these leagues don't know jack about switching, reporting fouls, or positioning. Hell, half the time you're grateful when they're not both on the same side of the court. They're new, it's where they learn.

I won't disagree, Snaq, because there are a lot of new officials out there. Thing is, in my area, I've been around long enough now to know who the newbies are...and the guys I saw being lazy weren't newbies. They were apathetic midlings. IMO, they are no longer motivated by anything other than getting their games in and leaving with their game check.

No passion, no professional pride, no nuthin.

Sad.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I have to admit that, among many reasons for poor behavior by fans, coaches and players, one of those may well be "lazy officiating". I've given up a large pctg of my games this spring/early summer so I can attend my daughter's 12U games at some of these MAYB tournaments. And, to be honest, I'm appalled by the lack of hustle and interest on the part of the officials working some of her games. Little to no switching, reporting from the baseline by the lead official, no bump and run.

Anyone that watched me work this weekend (w/ the exception of 52 yr old granny super fan) saw an official that was working his butt off. I despise laziness.

You get what you pay for. I expect officials always to hustle and put forth effort. But if someone is working multiple games and getting paid a fraction of what they get during the regular season I'm not expecting them switch on every foul or always come out to the proper reporting position.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You get what you pay for. I expect officials always to hustle and put forth effort. But if someone is working multiple games and getting paid a fraction of what they get during the regular season I'm not expecting them switch on every foul or always come out to the proper reporting position.

These guys are getting paid the same game rate as they would for league games. Plus, they are doing a 4 or 5 game set, so it's a $100 day for them. They s/b hustling from the opening tip of game 1 to the final second of game 5.

edit: I did 8 games Sat and 8 games Sun and never slowed down...and I'm an old fart. I got paid the same game rate as the others. And, I give those players what they paid for.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

These guys are getting paid the same game rate as they would for league games. Plus, they are doing a 4 or 5 game set, so it's a $100 day for them. They s/b hustling from the opening tip of game 1 to the final second of game 5.

$25/game in what regular season league? Maybe it's a regional thing, but around these parts when you are working for $20-25/game there are no expectations for the officials to be switching on every foul or to run out to the reporting area. And though I'm putting the throw-in at the proper spot sometimes that will entail a long-distance bounce so that my partner and I don't have to rotate.

The players don't care where you are reporting your fouls from.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by dlh17

these guys are getting paid the same game rate as they would for league games. Plus, they are doing a 4 or 5 game set, so it's a $100 day for them. They s/b hustling from the opening tip of game 1 to the final second of game 5.

Edit: I did 8 games sat and 8 games sun and never slowed down.

bs!!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

edit: I did 8 games Sat and 8 games Sun and never slowed down....

That part is simply unbelievable, especially when you say that you were hustling at all times, using correct mechanics, etc.

Or BS, to put it another way.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

edit: I did 8 games Sat and 8 games Sun and never slowed down...

Seriously, I'm not sure if you understand or not, but this is the part people are calling BS. You may have tried, you may have hustled, you may have even been in position; but to suggest you didn't even slow down after 5 games on the same day? Most of us can maintain some sort of suspension of disbelief, but this stretches it for us.
And, if it's true that you were able to do all this, well, it's a good thing they don't test officials for PEDs. If you're simply a freak of nature, that's different, but you should at least excuse our disbelief. We had no idea you were actually Jon Diebler in disguise.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You get what you pay for. I expect officials always to hustle and put forth effort. But if someone is working multiple games and getting paid a fraction of what they get during the regular season I'm not expecting them switch on every foul or always come out to the proper reporting position.

Catholic middle school league. $40.00 per game. Seven minute periods. Stop time. Usually a boy/girl double header. Two person crew. Our assigner expects us to be on time, be in proper uniform, hustle on all plays, use proper signals, enforce uniform and equipment restrictions, put the ball in play where it belongs, and not to participate in 50/50 raffles. We received emails from him this past season pointing out that some of us were showing up a little late for games, wearing sweats and/or sneakers, and/or not hustling, and he reminded us, actually threatened us, that this would not be tolerated. He also allows us to switch when convenient, report from places outside the reporting area, and administer the throwin from across the lane. Sometimes it's tough for rookies to get use to the relaxed mechanics, I know it was for me when I first came to this league, but almost all of the veterans are more than happy to go 100% mechanics if a rookie needs to learn the correct high school mechanics.

AAU is assigned by our high school assigner. $35.00 per game. Usually two games scheduled per two person crew. Games are scheduled by the AAU host every seventy minutes. Sixteen minute halves. Stop time. Three 60's and two 30's. Our assigner expects us to be on time, be in proper uniform, except that black shorts are allowed, hustle on all plays, use proper signals, and to put the ball in play where it belongs. Due to the tight schedule we are not discouraged from avoiding switches, from reporting from places outside the reporting area, and from administering the throwin from across the lane. Occasionally the AAU games are run in conjunction with our local board camp, and then we go 100% mechanics.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Games are scheduled by the AAU host every seventy minutes.

Boy - that was really sarcastic. I love it when you guys use the blue font!