"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The right position. OK. And you think it is advantageous to be ahead of a play like this one?

Of course not. They expect the Lead to be behind all plays. Which is why they call it the Lead position.

I should use blue font somewhere to get the point across.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Of course not. They expect the Lead to be behind all plays. Which is why they call it the Lead position.

I should use blue font somewhere to get the point across.

Peace

What if a guy releases early, or snowbirds and never comes down at all? You get ahead of them too? Gee, Rut, I stand corrected. You are perfect.

For the lead to always be (or want to be) physically in the lead of the play, is not only impossible, but counterproductive.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What if a guy releases early, or snowbirds and never comes down at all? You get ahead of them too? Gee, Rut, I stand corrected. You are perfect.

For the lead to always be (or want to be) physically in the lead of the play, is not only impossible, but counterproductive.

You are still stuck on this. Really?

Here is your exact question:

So you're saying that if you're the trail in two man, and the ball is knocked loose at the division line into the backcourt, then B1 and B2 sprint after it and one picks it up at the 3 pt line and takes it to the basket, you would outrun everybody and get ahead and "receive the play" as the new lead?

Where did use the word “always” in this conversation? Can you show one quote where I said “always” in this situation? And it is not hard considering that a player still has to pick up the ball, then dribble and make a move to the basket. They are not always going in a straight line to the basket. It is not that hard if you can sprint. If you cannot run, then maybe it might be an issue. I can run and know others that can run and this is not a major issue for me. I did it today in many situations at an international player’s showcase where the players were all former college players trying to get pro jobs and are good athletes. I was able on many situations to beat the play to the end line. And this was on a college court and much faster than high school players. We know you are not talking about college players.

Also it is not counterproductive or the mechanics would require us to not be there most of the time. If you get beat you can get angles in other places, but there is a reason the mechanics wants you ahead of the play in most situations. If I recall (and I really have not been thinking about this conversation since you just brought it up), you said you could not ever get to the end line. Now maybe that says something about your physical abilities or maybe your fitness level. Because I saw many officials last weekend get to the spot several times.

Then again, you are just another ref, so I would not expect you to get that concept at all. You are still stuck on something I said months ago and worried about what I think about it today. Worry about what you do and hope it works out for you. I do what works for me and it definitely works for me.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Here is your exact question:

Where did use the word “always” in this conversation? Can you show one quote where I said “always” in this situation?

Never used the word always, but without knowing exactly where the steal occurred and where the players originally were, you still refer to it as "not that hard" and "not entirely difficult" so I just assumed a guy like you could always pull it off.

Enough already. I'm done. My apologies to the owner of the thread.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Didn't "go to" anybody. Didn't sell out anybody. (others disagree) Definitely didn't say anybody was bad.

Many others.....

Vote of Confidence?

Not taking sides, mind you. Just pointing out the revisionist history.....


Whese these 2 are done on Oprah, we're booking 'em on Springer. And telling Jerry he's better hire another coupla bodyguards for that show. Can anybody else picture Jeff and JAR rolling around on the floor with the bodyguards trying to pull them apart?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Many others.....

Vote of Confidence?

Not taking sides, mind you. Just pointing out the revisionist history.....

Does this mean I am no longer the apple of your eye?

Sorry, Dad.*





*DNA tests were inconclusive, but I feel it in my heart.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Never used the word always, but without knowing exactly where the steal occurred and where the players originally were, you still refer to it as "not that hard" and "not entirely difficult" so I just assumed a guy like you could always pull it off.

I am completely basing my comments on a complete and total lack of knowledge of the mechanics and situations.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You get what you pay for. I expect officials always to hustle and put forth effort. But if someone is working multiple games and getting paid a fraction of what they get during the regular season I'm not expecting them switch on every foul or always come out to the proper reporting position.

Catholic middle school league. $40.00 per game. Seven minute periods. Stop time. Usually a boy/girl double header. Two person crew. Our assigner expects us to be on time, be in proper uniform, hustle on all plays, use proper signals, enforce uniform and equipment restrictions, put the ball in play where it belongs, and not to participate in 50/50 raffles. We received emails from him this past season pointing out that some of us were showing up a little late for games, wearing sweats and/or sneakers, and/or not hustling, and he reminded us, actually threatened us, that this would not be tolerated. He also allows us to switch when convenient, report from places outside the reporting area, and administer the throwin from across the lane. Sometimes it's tough for rookies to get use to the relaxed mechanics, I know it was for me when I first came to this league, but almost all of the veterans are more than happy to go 100% mechanics if a rookie needs to learn the correct high school mechanics.

AAU is assigned by our high school assigner. $35.00 per game. Usually two games scheduled per two person crew. Games are scheduled by the AAU host every seventy minutes. Sixteen minute halves. Stop time. Three 60's and two 30's. Our assigner expects us to be on time, be in proper uniform, except that black shorts are allowed, hustle on all plays, use proper signals, and to put the ball in play where it belongs. Due to the tight schedule we are not discouraged from avoiding switches, from reporting from places outside the reporting area, and from administering the throwin from across the lane. Occasionally the AAU games are run in conjunction with our local board camp, and then we go 100% mechanics.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Games are scheduled by the AAU host every seventy minutes.

Boy - that was really sarcastic. I love it when you guys use the blue font!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Does this mean I am no longer the apple of your eye?

Sorry, Dad.*





*DNA tests were inconclusive, but I feel it in my heart.

Not even the fruit of my looms......

[amusedofficial]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

be on time, be in proper uniform, hustle on all plays, use proper signals, enforce uniform and equipment restrictions, put the ball in play where it belongs, and not to participate in 50/50 raffles. He also allows us to switch when convenient, report from places outside the reporting area, and administer the throwin from across the lane.

Thank you. That very nicely sums up working AAU or whatever they call it out in the rust belt. The kids deserve a properly called game, no matter what the hucksters are doing to cut corners on paying officials, and we can give it to them. The only pet peeve I have about relaxed (excuse me, I mean paced) mechanics is I think it's important to switch on occasion so that things are balanced out on the floor.

Reading all the quibbling and arguing, I thought I had stumbled into a summer camp for coaches. Had an urge to whack someone.

As for eight games in one day, no chance on this earth can anyone be running anywhere near as effectively at the end as in the beginning. From tip-off in game 1 to the horn in game 8 is 12 hours. Presumably you have had something to eat in there (for me, that means a mandatory Siesta). Nobody can possibly be as sharp physically or mentally for the last one if they are for the first. Whether it's sex or calling basketball games, the law of diminishing returns is not suspended because we have some sort of conceited belief that we are Superman.

[Mark Padgett]

Back sometime in the early 90s, I worked a MS boys holiday tournament at a local HS gym that had two courts - one standard HS size and the other was what you would call MS size. The games were 20 minute running halves and they started one hour and ten minutes apart. On Friday night, I worked three games starting at 6:00. On both Saturday and Sunday, I worked four games in the mornings starting at 9:00 and four games in the evenings starting at 5:00 (including the "championship" game at 8:30 on Sunday night), so I had both afternoons to rest up and eat. A lot of my games were on the MS sized court, but not the last four on Sunday night. If I remember correctly (and at my age, that's not a given) the games paid $12 each, so I made $228 for the 19 games - in cash!

Needless to say, all my partners and I worked "convenience mechanics".

Oh yeah, we got as much free soda pop as we wanted. I must have downed at least 12 bottles of Diet Pepsi that weekend. Good thing the bathrooms were right next to the courts.

BTW - when I got home late on Sunday night, my wife said, "You home already?"

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Needless to say, all my partners and I worked "convenience mechanics".

I worked a summer tournament at the local college that I attended in the summer of 97 or 98. I worked like 7 games on Saturday and 8 on Sunday. These were high school teams and we did the same thing. Hell after the end of day one I was exhausted. By the time we were done on day two I could hardly walk. There was no way I could run or do much during live ball periods, let alone dead ball periods. The most switching we did was during FTs, but that soon stopped as my partner and I (who worked all the games together) were so tired we were just trying to get through the games without getting hurt. I learned that I cannot work that many games in a row and needed a significant break to continue. Never again.

Peace

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Hell after the end of day one I was exhausted. By the time we were done on day two I could hardly walk.

I have just one word to say to that - meds.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I have just one word to say to that - meds.

And I needed lots of them that weekend.

Peace