Intentional or excessive intentional

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by CLH

FWIW...This is my common complaint about officiating on the NCAA men's side.

A common complaint by whom?

I've never heard that particular complaint from league assignors, evaluators, commissioners, etc. They all want to get every call right, but they also know that ultimately someone has to step up and make a final decision. That's why God made R's.

There's one heckuva big difference between "going it alone" and stepping up to make a definitive decision. There's nothing wrong with getting input, but you still have to ultimately make your own calls...and own 'em too.

Stopping to take a poll on every close call can mean one heckuva long game.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A common complaint by whom?

I've never heard that particular complaint from league assignors, evaluators, commissioners, etc. They all want to get every call right, but they also know that ultimately someone has to step up and make a final decision. That's why God made R's.

There's one heckuva big difference between "going it alone" and stepping up to make a definitive decision. There's nothing wrong with getting input, but you still have to ultimately make your own calls...and own 'em too.

Stopping to take a poll on every close call can mean one heckuva long game.

I very clearly said MY opinion

You're going to the extreme here partner. We are not talking about conferencing on every call, that's ludicrous. How often does a potentially intentional/flagrant foul occur in a game? Once? Twice? Every 10 games? I think we'd agree its pretty uncommon and a quick "hey partner I think we may need to upgrade" can take less than five seconds and now everyone knows that we are working together, through everyone's egos to get a play right. In the end, yes, you must live and die with your own whistles, I'm not coming to rescue anyone. But, this is clearly a situation where good partnering can keep us out of alot of trouble.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by CLH

I very clearly said MY opinion

You're going to the extreme here partner. We are not talking about conferencing on every call, that's ludicrous. How often does a potentially intentional/flagrant foul occur in a game? Once? Twice? Every 10 games? I think we'd agree its pretty uncommon and a quick "hey partner I think we may need to upgrade" can take less than five seconds and now everyone knows that we are working together, through everyone's egos to get a play right. In the end, yes, you must live and die with your own whistles, I'm not coming to rescue anyone. But, this is clearly a situation where good partnering can keep us out of alot of trouble.

No, I think we're both talking about the same thing. And we all probably agree on most things also, especially that this only happens on fairly rare occasions. The point that I was trying to make was that when it does happen, if you feel that your call was appropriate and correct, you have to go with your own judgment no matter the input given to you by your partner(s). That's not an ego thingy imo. That's simply belief in your own ability.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There's nothing wrong with getting input, but you still have to ultimately make your own calls...and own 'em too.

Well, look at that, we actually agree. ...sniff...sniff...I'm getting all verklempt...

As rocky, CLH and Judtech mentioned, it's certainly not something that happens all the time, and is not something that should be done on a regular basis. But I believe you brought up the violation situation, and this is similar in many regards. When the calling official makes an OOB call that is clearly missed, the other official can come over and give the calling official information, and it's up to the calling official to change the call, or keep it the same. No one overrules anyone else. It's the same with the breakaway foul situation - if the calling official has a common foul, while it's obvious to one or both of the partners that they missed an important piece of information that could "upgrade" the foul, then those partners should go give the calling official that information. It's still up to the calling official to keep or change their call. Of course, if the partners didn't see the whole play, then there's no additional information to give, and the calling official lives with their call.

So, how do I know when to go in and give information? I guess it's kinda like pornography, or obsenity, or Sarah Palin's (grand)son, I just know it when I see it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I guess it's kinda like pornography, or obsenity, or Sarah Palin's (grand)son, I just know it when I see it.

And Lord knows you see enough of it.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Hell, I became an Orlando Magic fan when I found out that they hired Ron Jeremy as their head coach.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And Lord knows you see enough of it.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Hell, I became an Orlando Magic fan when I found out that they hired Ron Jeremy as their head coach.

Thanks.

You know how hard it is to type with these hairy palms...especially when I'm blind, too?