Travel Game Follie

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

That was a fun read. Thanks for posting.

Question about the TF (for anyone). In the past, when assessing TF on head coaches, my rationale when asked is "unsportsmanship" or "unsportsmanlike behavior". Would this be better, worse or just as acceptable as the reason used in the OP?

The fact that you will even answer the question makes you a better person that I.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The fact that you will even answer the question makes you a better person that I.

Agreed. I wouldn't answer that one; he knows exactly why he got rung.

If anything, "Because you'd been asking for one all game and I finally decided to oblige."

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed. I wouldn't answer that one; he knows exactly why he got rung.

If anything, "Because you'd been asking for one all game and I finally decided to oblige."

Interesting.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Interesting.

Let me add, I wouldn't use this in a high school game; then again, the coach would have been taken care of sooner.

If I was working an AAU type game, though, and for whatever reason had allowed the game to progress as this one did without addressing the coach, it's possible that would be the response to come out of my mouth if he asked me such a stupid question.

[26 Year Gap]

He should have been listening to the rest of the game on the radio in his car. Oh, it wasn't being broadcast? Too bad.

[NCMTNRef]

Thanks for the replies. If this was a normal high school varsity game we would not have gone nearly as far as we did on this occasion. I actually have a reputation as being a guy with a quick trigger but in the championship game of a travel tournament, i try to avoid controversy as much as possible because there is nothing that can happen to these guys other than being removed from the gym. No suspension or nothing.

His questioning of my integrity plus the name calling probably should have been enough to warrent ejection before he met me at half court. However after he met me there, I basically knew that I had given him way too much leeway and he needed to be taken care of.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by NCMTNRef

I actually have a reputation as being a guy with a quick trigger but in the championship game of a travel tournament, i try to avoid controversy as much as possible because there is nothing that can happen to these guys other than being removed from the gym.

Not a very good excuse imo. Controversy is an inherent part of our job. If we're doing it properly, somebody...player, coach, fan... is always gonna be a little unhappy with us. That aspect of what we do is something that an official should never think about.

Removing the coach from the gym meant that you wouldn't have had to listen or put up with his continuing crapola, and you'd also would have had no reason to post here complaining about his nonsense. It's amazing how quiet and peaceful a game gets when these yappy jerks are in the parking lot.

Note also that none of this is personal. It's just my opinion of what happened and why it happened.

Welcome to the forum.

[Nevadaref]

First, welcome to the forum.
Second, you have received some excellent feedback which will truly make you a better official if you are ready to take the next step and put it into practice.
Third, don't be turned off of this site by the bluntness of JR's responses. That's just his style. He if very direct and critical. However, I can tell you that he is almost always right and that his thoughts will help you improve. Just consider it tough love.

Now for my comments.

I believe that you know that you didn't deal with this coach in a timely manner and that is why the contest spiraled into the abyss. Since you know that already, there is no reason for me to go through your post and state the critical moments. Snaqwells actually did a fine job of that in post #5. I really believe that you need to fundamentally alter a couple of your notions about what is acceptable behavior and where an official should draw the line.
Specifically, here is what I mean.

Originally Posted by NCMTNRef

He barks the whole first half. Nothing excessive, and nothing to warrent a T other than just constant whining over everything.

Partner and I answered his legitimate questions which were not many. At half we decide to let him continue as long as he didn't cross the line.

1. Barking the whole half/quarter or constant whining over several decisions ARE EXAMPLES OF BEHAVIOR WHICH ARE EXCESSIVE AND DO WARRANT A T. You need to adopt that mindset immediately. Don't ever again think, "Well, he hasn't done/said anything that bad." Become acquainted with what we call the ABS T. The ABS = accumulation of b@*l sh#t. So when considered collectively his whole actions equate to a deserved T.

2. You and your partner made a tremendous mistake IN YOUR THINKING at halftime, which directly led to the game becoming a nightmare in the 2nd half. You were still looking for the one explosion moment from the coach when in fact he had already sneaked across the line without your knowing it, but instead of the two of you stating that you mishandled the first half and going into the 3rd quarter with the mindset of dealing with his behavior, you guys actually decided to allow him to continue his poor behavior! You must rid your mind of this approach. You need to look in the mirror and say three times, "Nip it in the bud."

Originally Posted by NCMTNRef

Thanks for the replies. If this was a normal high school varsity game we would not have gone nearly as far as we did on this occasion. I actually have a reputation as being a guy with a quick trigger but in the championship game of a travel tournament, i try to avoid controversy as much as possible because there is nothing that can happen to these guys other than being removed from the gym. No suspension or nothing.

Now here is where the tough love of JR comes in. You have another mental approach that needs to be fixed. NO EXCUSES! You can't treat championship games differently. You can't treat star players differently. You can't treat big-name coaches differently. You can't avoid the necessary confrontation and tough task of assessing a deserved penalty in a critical situation, if you want to be respected as an official.
JR told you that you can't make excuses for not taking care of business. You allowed yourself (and your partner did too) to be walked all over for way too long because you somehow thought that this was an important game or a summer tournament in which there is no follow-up, and therefore, you needed to put up with more. That's totally false.
Get that kind of thinking out of your head.

If you are selected for championship games or other important assignments, it is because of the job that you NORMALLY do. Don't change that. If anything, the bigger the stage, the more important that it is for you to take care of business right away and not allow problems to develop. (That's how you'll keep getting those games.) You can achieve that through strong and effective communication from the start.

Originally Posted by NCMTNRef

His questioning of my integrity plus the name calling probably should have been enough to warrent ejection before he met me at half court. However after he met me there, I basically knew that I had given him way too much leeway and he needed to be taken care of.

Absolutely. As I previously wrote, you already know this. It's inside of you already. It is now a matter of spending a bit of time reflecting on this game and resolving to not let such happen again. You can do that by immediately changing your mental approach and in the future respecting yourself, the game, and the avocation of officiating by being strong enough to take care of business no matter what the circumstances.

Best Wishes and hope to see many contributions to the forum from you down the road.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let me add, I wouldn't use this in a high school game; then again, the coach would have been taken care of sooner.

If I was working an AAU type game, though, and for whatever reason had allowed the game to progress as this one did without addressing the coach, it's possible that would be the response to come out of my mouth if he asked me such a stupid question.

Ok....that makes more sense. I figured this is what you meant.

[NCMTNRef]

Thanks again for the replies guys. I have been looking for input like this and unlike alot of guys I find in our field that get touchy if you make the smallest comment about how they can improve, I actually respect the heck out of you guys for saying it. I can take it and it makes me better. Most of the stuff is information that I already knew. Such as take care of it early, go ahead and run the guy. I am not going to rip my partner in this game but one peice of background that I should have thrown in is that my partner has been calling for 5 or 6 years and is much older than I am. I am in my early 20's and have only been calling for a year and a half. I don't know if that changes how I should handle everything...It shouldn't. I issued all of the T's during the game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by NCMTNRef

Thanks again for the replies guys. I have been looking for input like this and unlike alot of guys I find in our field that get touchy if you make the smallest comment about how they can improve, I actually respect the heck out of you guys for saying it. I can take it and it makes me better. Most of the stuff is information that I already knew. Such as take care of it early, go ahead and run the guy. I am not going to rip my partner in this game but one peice of background that I should have thrown in is that my partner has been calling for 5 or 6 years and is much older than I am. I am in my early 20's and have only been calling for a year and a half. I don't know if that changes how I should handle everything...It shouldn't. I issued all of the T's during the game.

Sounds like the coach smelled fresh meat and was trying to pick on you. This is what happens when amateur (or is it immature?) coaches try to imitate their idols on TV.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by NCMTNRef

I am in my early 20's and have only been calling for a year and a half. I don't know if that changes how I should handle everything...It shouldn't. I issued all of the T's during the game.

Don't let being the younger guy or less experience guy deter you from wacking ANYONE! I'm 26, started when I was 17 and 9 out of 10 times if there is a technical in my game, I probably called it...We even joke in pregame about how we are going to handle adminstering them..."ok guys, once I give tonights technical, lets makes sure etc etc etc..." lol

Good learning game for ya!