Wrong Number In Book ???

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I'm glad you didn't point out the difference. "Whoever" was the subject of its clause, and thus correctly in the nominative case. "Whomever" would have been wrong.

Hmm, that's not the way I learned it. "Whomever" should be the subject of a clause, while "whoever" is the subject of the verb.

Whoever and Whomever | Grammar Rules

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Hmm, that's not the way I learned it. "Whomever" should be the subject of a clause, while "whoever" is the subject of the verb.

Is that why the book wasn't called "Horton Hears A Whom"?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Is that why the book wasn't called "Horton Hears A Whom"?

Yep, my mom used to read that book to me all the time. My fondest memories were when she would read it to me outside while camping; I could hear the owls off in the distance, "...whom...whom..."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Hmm, that's not the way I learned it. "Whomever" should be the subject of a clause, while "whoever" is the subject of the verb.

Whoever and Whomever | Grammar Rules

It's just like the use of "who" and "whom." "Who" is used for the subject, and "whom" for the object.

example:

"Who gave the carrot to whom?"
answer:
"Whoever gave it to whomever."

At least that's how I learned it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I'm glad you didn't point out the difference. "Whoever" was the subject of its clause, and thus correctly in the nominative case. "Whomever" would have been wrong.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Hmm, that's not the way I learned it. "Whomever" should be the subject of a clause, while "whoever" is the subject of the verb.

Whoever and Whomever | Grammar Rules

I'm with byron on this one. "Whoever" is the subject of the verb "authored". In fact, "Whoever" is also the subject of the verb "failed".

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm with byron on this one. "Whoever" is the subject of the verb "authored".

Whomever brought this subject up should be shot. "Whomever brought this subject up" is the clause, and the clause is the subject of the verb. (Even though the word subject is used within the clause.)

I'm cleaning my shotgun now. Who (or is it whom?!?) wants the first shot?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Whomever (sic) brought this subject up should be shot. "Whomever brought this subject up" is the clause, and the clause is the subject of the verb. (Even though the word subject is used within the clause.)

I'm cleaning my shotgun now. Who (or is it whom?!?) wants the first shot?

Go to your link again, and read carefully.

You can shoot whoever is wrong. ("whoever" is the subject of the clause that serves as the object.)
or
You can shoot whomever you find to be wrong. ("whomever" is the object of the clause that serves as the object.)

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Go to your link again, and read carefully.

You can shoot whoever is wrong. ("whoever" is the subject of the clause that serves as the object.)
or
You can shoot whomever you find to be wrong. ("whomever" is the object of the clause that serves as the object.)

Ok, I'm confused. Are you backing me up, or proving me wrong? In NV's statement, "...whoever authored it failed to appreciate the difference...", "whoever" is the object of the clause "whoever authored it", and thus should be "whomever", correct? The main verb of the sentence is "failed", while the clause is the subject.

Should we start an Annual Off-Topic English Thread?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Ok, I'm confused. Are you backing me up, or proving me wrong? In NV's statement, "...whoever authored it failed to appreciate the difference...", "whoever" is the object of the clause "whoever authored it", and thus should be "whomever", correct? The main verb of the sentence is "failed", while the clause is the subject.

Should we start an Annual Off-Topic English Thread?

Whoever is the subject, in that "whoever" is the person who did the action (both actions in this case.)
If "whoever" had been failed, as in, "you failed me, Bob," then "whomever" would have been an appropriate replacement for "me."

And no, my head hurts too bad for a Tuesday.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And no, my head hurts too bad for a Tuesday.

Now mine does too.

But this allows me to complete the argument in my favor, and always makes me feel better:

Shut up.

[JRutledge]

Who the hell cares?

Peace

[Adam]

Well, as long as M&M feels better....