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[mbyron]

#6: answer should begin successful last FT, right?

I don't see what's controversial about your answer to #12.

[wanja]

Originally Posted by mbyron

#6: answer should begin successful last FT, right?

right. fixed it.

Originally Posted by mbyron

I don't see what's controversial about your answer to #12.

The NFHS rule and case books do not directly, explicitly address the situation where team A scores a goal and then requests a timeout immediately after team b catches the ball before it hits the floor. The closest case (6.1.2b) deals with a situation where the ball is bouncing along the end line after a scored goal. I'm comfortable with the interpretation that in the situation I cited, that a timeout should be granted. Consider a close end game situation where you anticipate Team A calling a timeout. I have not seen and would not promote denying the timeout.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by wanja

The NFHS rule and case books do not directly, explicitly address the situation where team A scores a goal and then requests a timeout immediately after team b catches the ball before it hits the floor.

See SITUATION 9 of the 2006-07 Basketball Rules Interpretations as issued by the NFHS.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...s-archive.html

SITUATION 9: In the last minute of play in the fourth quarter, Team A scores a field goal to tie the game. B1, standing under the basket after the score, secures the ball and begins heading to the end line for the ensuing throw-in. A1 requests and is granted a time-out.
RULING: Legal Procedure. Team A may request and be granted a time-out until the ensuing throw-in begins. The throw-in does not begin until B1 has the ball at his/her disposal and the official begins the throw-in count.

[wanja]

[QUOTE=Jurassic Referee;672495]See SITUATION 9 of the 2006-07 Basketball Rules Interpretations as issued by the NFHS.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...s-archive.html

Thanks. I took a look at your prior post of past interps. It was and is a good idea. I'll add them to the rules section of my site.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

See SITUATION 9 of the 2006-07 Basketball Rules Interpretations as issued by the NFHS.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...s-archive.html

SITUATION 9: In the last minute of play in the fourth quarter, Team A scores a field goal to tie the game. B1, standing under the basket after the score, secures the ball and begins heading to the end line for the ensuing throw-in. A1 requests and is granted a time-out.
RULING: Legal Procedure. Team A may request and be granted a time-out until the ensuing throw-in begins. The throw-in does not begin until B1 has the ball at his/her disposal and the official begins the throw-in count.

This is another example, in my opinion, of an interp which is not consistent with the written rule.

4-4-7d: A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is available to a player after a goal.

4-42-3: The throw-in and throw-in count begins when the ball is at the disposal of a player of the team entitled to it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is another example, in my opinion, of an interp which is not consistent with the written rule.

4-4-7d: A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is available to a player after a goal.

4-42-3: The throw-in and throw-in count begins when the ball is at the disposal of a player of the team entitled to it.

The question is.....

Do you usually start your throw-in count when the player grabs the ball in-bounds or do you wait until the player has walked OOB with it?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Do you usually start your throw-in count when the player grabs the ball in-bounds or do you wait until the player has walked OOB with it?

When the ball drops to the floor after a made basket by Team A, and a few Team B players kind of congregate around the ball, looking at each other questioning, "Who takes it out?", and more than just a few seconds pass, don't some of us start the count while the ball is still on the ground, and still inbounds?

I know that I do. I'm not standing there watching them play rock, paper, scissors, for five minutes, especially when the clock is ticking.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When the ball drops to the floor after a made basket by Team A, and a few Team B players kind of congregate around the ball, looking at each other questioning, "Who takes it out?", and more than just a few seconds pass, don't some of us start the count while the ball is still on the ground, and still inbounds?

I know that I do. I'm not standing there watching them play rock, paper, scissors, for five minutes, especially when the clock is ticking.

And that's a situation that's out of the ordinary take-the-ball-out situation; and that's why it's also specifically covered under the COMMENT in case book play 6.1.2SitB.

The FED has already given us direction imo with the case book play and the interp in the archive. If you feel the throwing team is delaying, start the throw-in count. If not, wait until the thrower is OOB with the ball. And grant any TO requests by the defense up to the start of your throw-in count.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The question is.....

Do you usually start your throw-in count when the player grabs the ball in-bounds or do you wait until the player has walked OOB with it?

Another good question. I usually wait until he has walked out of bounds, but nothing in the rule tells us to do it this way. "Available to a player" is broad terminology, to be sure, and it doesn't specify any difference between ball location with regard to out of bounds or not. The ruling I see most often is when in doubt, grant the timeout. And sometimes, even when there should be no doubt, grant it anyway. I have seen the timeout whistled while the throw-in pass is in the air. This can get back to that mental granting of the timeout thing which occurs significantly prior to the whistle, I suppose.