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[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is another example, in my opinion, of an interp which is not consistent with the written rule.

4-4-7d: A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is available to a player after a goal.

4-42-3: The throw-in and throw-in count begins when the ball is at the disposal of a player of the team entitled to it.

The question is.....

Do you usually start your throw-in count when the player grabs the ball in-bounds or do you wait until the player has walked OOB with it?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Do you usually start your throw-in count when the player grabs the ball in-bounds or do you wait until the player has walked OOB with it?

When the ball drops to the floor after a made basket by Team A, and a few Team B players kind of congregate around the ball, looking at each other questioning, "Who takes it out?", and more than just a few seconds pass, don't some of us start the count while the ball is still on the ground, and still inbounds?

I know that I do. I'm not standing there watching them play rock, paper, scissors, for five minutes, especially when the clock is ticking.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When the ball drops to the floor after a made basket by Team A, and a few Team B players kind of congregate around the ball, looking at each other questioning, "Who takes it out?", and more than just a few seconds pass, don't some of us start the count while the ball is still on the ground, and still inbounds?

I know that I do. I'm not standing there watching them play rock, paper, scissors, for five minutes, especially when the clock is ticking.

And that's a situation that's out of the ordinary take-the-ball-out situation; and that's why it's also specifically covered under the COMMENT in case book play 6.1.2SitB.

The FED has already given us direction imo with the case book play and the interp in the archive. If you feel the throwing team is delaying, start the throw-in count. If not, wait until the thrower is OOB with the ball. And grant any TO requests by the defense up to the start of your throw-in count.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

6.1.2SitB.

6.1.2 SITUATION B: Team A has just scored a goal. The ball is bouncing close
to the end line when: (a) A1 calls for a time-out; or (b) A1 illegally contacts B1.
RULING: In order to rule correctly, it depends on whether the bouncing ball is
judged to be at the thrower’s disposal. If the covering official judges it is at the
thrower’s disposal, he/she would start the count and the ball becomes live. In this
case, in (a) no time-out is granted and the foul in (b) is penalized. If the ball is not
at the thrower’s disposal, the time-out is granted in (a) and the contact in (b) is
ignored unless it is intentional or flagrant. COMMENT: In this situation, the covering
official must give the new throw-in team a moment or two to recognize it is
their ball for a throw-in and get a player into the area to pick up the ball. If the ball
is near the end line, it is the throw-in team’s responsibility to secure it and throwin
from anywhere out of bounds along the end line. The covering official shall
start his/her throw-in count when it is determined the ball is available. (4-4-7d)

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The question is.....

Do you usually start your throw-in count when the player grabs the ball in-bounds or do you wait until the player has walked OOB with it?

Another good question. I usually wait until he has walked out of bounds, but nothing in the rule tells us to do it this way. "Available to a player" is broad terminology, to be sure, and it doesn't specify any difference between ball location with regard to out of bounds or not. The ruling I see most often is when in doubt, grant the timeout. And sometimes, even when there should be no doubt, grant it anyway. I have seen the timeout whistled while the throw-in pass is in the air. This can get back to that mental granting of the timeout thing which occurs significantly prior to the whistle, I suppose.