after patient whistle

[rsl]

I mean that incidental depends on what happens and skill level. If the bump in the OP had caused the dribbler to lose the ball, it would not be incidental. But, it didn't and he was still on track for his layup, so it was incidental.

[tref]

Gotcha! Upgrading what was incidental to a foul after seeing the whole play is good thing

[Adam]

I'll just add that just because a player loses the ball after a bump does not mean there was a foul. You have to judge whether the bump caused it or not; sometimes players just lose the ball and any previous contact, no matter how recent, did not cause it.

[Jesse James]

And if B2 swoops out of nowhere to cleanly swat the "easy" lay-up?

Now do you whistle the initial bump?

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

And if B2 swoops out of nowhere to cleanly swat the "easy" lay-up?

Now do you whistle the initial bump?

I am probably not a very good official, but at that point I am thinking "Well, what caused that ball to not go in the basket? Was it that bump, or the fact that B2 just sent it into the stands?"

I got nothing then.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

And if B2 swoops out of nowhere to cleanly swat the "easy" lay-up?

Now do you whistle the initial bump?

Why? What did the bump do?

[Jesse James]

Cause A1 to get to the hoop a bit slower?

[tref]

And not get off the ground as high as he/she could have.

That would be a tough call to make, it could be sold with some verbal at the spot & strong mechnics though...

[Adam]

It wouldn't have a hard time selling it because I wouldn't try. I don't think I've ever seen a bump like that slow a player down that much, so I can't imagine B2 getting to a shot he obviously wouldn't have gotten to otherwise. If the slow down is that significant, I'll get the initial bump sooner.

[rsl]

This is why I am still learning "patient whistle".

I had another call last night where I passed on a bump because the ball handler had a wide open jumper, which he missed. I don't think the bump was the cause, but it is a judgment call.

That's why they pay us the big bucks... Wait, I forgot I volunteered last night!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

And if B2 swoops out of nowhere to cleanly swat the "easy" lay-up? Now do you whistle the initial bump?

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Cause A1 to get to the hoop a bit slower?

How could you do that to Sandra Bullock, America's Sweetheart?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How could you do that to Sandra Bullock, America's Sweetheart?

According to the papers at the supermarket, he was an 11-timer.