after patient whistle

[Adam]

Also, if he presses it and it's summer ball, I might suggest he find a rule book and look up the definitions of "foul" and "incidental contact."

Nah, I'd just say "first contact wasn't a foul." Then get the ball in play and move on if the coach lets you. If he doesn't, we get to shoot two more free throws.

[rsl]

Actually, the coach was not a big problem (though my post makes it sound like it)- he accepted my explanation.

I am still learning this whole patient whistle thing, and it is improving my game.

Sometimes, patient whistle means calling something incidental because you can see how it is going to turn out. Other times, patient whistle means a delayed call while you wait to see how it turns out. I am still working on when each one is right.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rsl

Actually, the coach was not a big problem (though my post makes it sound like it)- he accepted my explanation.

I am still learning this whole patient whistle thing, and it is improving my game.

Sometimes, patient whistle means calling something incidental because you can see how it is going to turn out. Other times, patient whistle means a delayed call while you wait to see how it turns out. I am still working on when each one is right.

Several years ago, in my first ever varsity game, I had a play near the division line in which A1 (with the ball) was bumped by B1. I waited, A1 wobbled, I waited, A1 stepped illegally. I called the foul. It took just a couple of seconds, but by the time I called the foul, B1 was about 10 feet away. I'd do it again the same way.

The most common one is your scenario, where the bump does absolutely nothing and if you call it, you're taking away a layup. I've made the call and taken crap from the coach for taking his layup away. I've passed on the call and taken crap only to have the coach agree with me when I told him why I passed on the contact.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Several years ago, in my first ever varsity game, I had a play near the division line in which A1 (with the ball) was bumped by B1. I waited, A1 wobbled, I waited, A1 stepped illegally. I called the foul. It took just a couple of seconds, but by the time I called the foul, B1 was about 10 feet away. I'd do it again the same way.

The most common one is your scenario, where the bump does absolutely nothing and if you call it, you're taking away a layup. I've made the call and taken crap from the coach for taking his layup away. I've passed on the call and taken crap only to have the coach agree with me when I told him why I passed on the contact.

I am in the same stage as the OP. And, have used the same approach as you outlined in your experience, Snaq. All I can say is, this is the stuff that makes what we do so much fun. It's hard to beat working in concert with your partner on both ends and using a patient whistle. It's especially evident when a coach or player or fan freaks about a "late call" and you and your partner(s) KNOW you got it right because seeing the play through is higher level decision making.

Good good stuff.

[tref]

Originally Posted by rsl

Sometimes, patient whistle means calling something incidental because you can see how it is going to turn out.

Sounds like anticipating a call. Incidental is not a foul, by rule. Care to elaborate?

[rsl]

I mean that incidental depends on what happens and skill level. If the bump in the OP had caused the dribbler to lose the ball, it would not be incidental. But, it didn't and he was still on track for his layup, so it was incidental.

[tref]

Gotcha! Upgrading what was incidental to a foul after seeing the whole play is good thing

[Adam]

I'll just add that just because a player loses the ball after a bump does not mean there was a foul. You have to judge whether the bump caused it or not; sometimes players just lose the ball and any previous contact, no matter how recent, did not cause it.

[Jesse James]

And if B2 swoops out of nowhere to cleanly swat the "easy" lay-up?

Now do you whistle the initial bump?

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

And if B2 swoops out of nowhere to cleanly swat the "easy" lay-up?

Now do you whistle the initial bump?

I am probably not a very good official, but at that point I am thinking "Well, what caused that ball to not go in the basket? Was it that bump, or the fact that B2 just sent it into the stands?"

I got nothing then.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

And if B2 swoops out of nowhere to cleanly swat the "easy" lay-up?

Now do you whistle the initial bump?

Why? What did the bump do?