transitioning from 2 whistle to 3 whistle

[Gargil]

This is why Wisconsin has trouble accepting 3 man crews. Each conference decides if they want 2 or 3 man crews and the state tourney is all 3 man. So guys work both 2 and 3 man troughout the season and without dedicating to all varsity 3 man you can't become proficient at Officiating 3 man games because it takes a lot of games to get it.

[just another ref]

My first 3 man game, after roughly a jillion 2 man, I struggled with the feeling that I was in somebody else's way for most of the game. This feeling, obviously, was without merit. Call the game.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by just another ref

My first 3 man game, after roughly a jillion 2 man, I struggled with the feeling that I was in somebody else's way for most of the game. This feeling, obviously, was without merit. Call the game.

I've done two or three off season's worth of 3 man.....the feeling you just described fits the way I felt too. It's going to take a lot of repetition and patience for me. One day it will click, though, I'm sure.

Question....I watch a lot of college ball at various levels. Is the basic rotation the same as NFHS rotation? Seems like what I've watched on TV and in person at the college level is different than what I've done in 3 man. Don't want to waste time focusing on that part of 3 man in the college game if it's not applicable to NF.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Question....I watch a lot of college ball at various levels. Is the basic rotation the same as NFHS rotation? Seems like what I've watched on TV and in person at the college level is different than what I've done in 3 man. Don't want to waste time focusing on that part of 3 man in the college game if it's not applicable to NF.

The rotations are the same. The switches are different (FED and NCAAW do it one way; NCAAM another).

[Mark Padgett]

A good thing to remember at a camp is not to go out walking in the woods alone at night. You never know what you may run into!

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The rotations are the same. The switches are different (FED and NCAAW do it one way; NCAAM another).

How do the switches differ, if you don't mind breaking it down. Thanks.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by DLH17

How do the switches differ, if you don't mind breaking it down. Thanks.

In NFHS, report the foul and remain table-side as trail.

In NCAAM, report the foul and go opposite as center.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by mbyron

In NFHS, report the foul and remain table-side as trail.

In NCAAM, report the foul and go opposite as center.

Fed seems more efficient....wonder why NCAAM do what they do?

[AKOFL]

for me I thought i was a little bored and didn't have as much to do since my piece of the pie just got smaller in 3 crew, but I soon realized it was just the opposite. You need to work harder and can concetrate on your area more in 3 crew. You have another official to work with and figure out. you are covering many different parts of the floor durring one posession.( due to rotations) I have to keep talking to myself about my PCA and what is giong on there. self talk has helped me alot to keep my focus so I dont' get lost. As has been mentioned, don't forget to call the game. the rest will come with time. BTW camp is the place to mess up. that is what you are there for. Our clinicians told us exactly that. don't try to be perfect, just call ball.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbyron

In NFHS, report the foul and remain table-side as trail.

In NCAAM, report the foul and go opposite as center.

Leave the positions out since you can easily be the C tableside (in NFHS or NCAAW) or the T opposite (in NCAAM) after garden-variety fouls.

[JS 20]

When you rotate as the lead, don't forget to referee the paint as you move across the lane.

When you're at T or C and a shot goes up, don't bail and start moving toward half court. You're there to watch rebounding action. Trust yourself to get back on a break if that happens. Those two things were something I frequently goofed on when I started out.

DLH.....What do you notice about NCAA rotations that seem to differ from NFHS?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Gargil

This is why Wisconsin has trouble accepting 3 man crews.

It's worse here in The Constitution State. 95% of our regular season games are two person. All of our league and conference championship tournaments are two person. Early rounds in the state tournament are two person games. It's not until the state quarterfinals that three person crews are used. There's a lot of pointing going on in these quarterfinals as the guys try to help each other out. I saw a switch this year, with just a common foul, and no change of possession, where the trail moved all the way to the endline, kept on circling around, and ended up as the new trail, only on the other side of the court from where he started.

It's going to be worse next year. For several years we've worked a scholarship holiday tournament, at several sites, for free, with three person crews. Next year the officials will get paid, and our board will make a large donation to the scholarship fund. With home teams at several sites paying for officials, do you think that they're going to want three person crews?

[MelbRef]

I've worked 2-man for a couple years, and worked some 3-man HS games this year. After reading the manuals, the biggest challenges for me were:

1) seeing the rotations of my partners. For example, in 2-man I really focus on my primary, but in 3-man you also have to keep a peripheral vision on your partners. I found that to be difficult, and it would break my concentration on my primary.

2) as C or T in 3-man, your primary changes regularly. So it was a challenge initially to instantly adjust to the new primary when the L would rotate and you all of a sudden had a whole new area to cover.

The bottom line is that I felt that I was not officiating as well as my 2-man games, because these two things were distracting me during the game.