transitioning from 2 whistle to 3 whistle

[constable]

So I'm going to a camp this summer that's all 3 whistle. I've immersed myself in the manual, and watch as many games as I can but I'm hoping you guys can shed some light on what are some of the big differences are?

What was the learning curve like? What are some of the mistakes you first made? What do I need to know that the manual DOESN'T tell me.

Thanks.

PS If anyone has FIBA experience, that would be great since that's what I'll be using.

[mbyron]

A few suggestions:

1. Let the clinicians guide you. They're used to people who are new to 3-whistle, so be honest with them about where you are and let them help.

2. Don't worry too much about missing a rotation. A missed foul is worse than a missed rotation.

3. In my experience, 3-whistle comes pretty easily with just a little practice, especially if you move a lot in 2-whistle. That means you have good ball awareness and are used to getting a good angle.

4. As C, don't be afraid to initiate rotations when the ball comes to your side above the FT line extended. Some folks (around here at least) seem to think that only lead can initiate a rotation.

5. At camp, when you're not on the floor watch others and try to anticipate the positive and negative criticism that the clinicians will give them. That tests your mechanics knowledge. But remember that theory and practice are quite different animals: it'll still feel a bit awkward when you start. And that's OK.

[constable]

Originally Posted by mbyron

A few suggestions:

1. Let the clinicians guide you. They're used to people who are new to 3-whistle, so be honest with them about where you are and let them help.

2. Don't worry too much about missing a rotation. A missed foul is worse than a missed rotation.

3. In my experience, 3-whistle comes pretty easily with just a little practice, especially if you move a lot in 2-whistle. That means you have good ball awareness and are used to getting a good angle.

4. As C, don't be afraid to initiate rotations when the ball comes to your side above the FT line extended. Some folks (around here at least) seem to think that only lead can initiate a rotation.

5. At camp, when you're not on the floor watch others and try to anticipate the positive and negative criticism that the clinicians will give them. That tests your mechanics knowledge. But remember that theory and practice are quite different animals: it'll still feel a bit awkward when you start. And that's OK.

Thanks. Last time I went to one of these camps we were assigned during off games to man the camera. The clinicians wear a wireless lavalier mic and you have an ear piece so you're able to listen to the other campers constructive criticism.

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by mbyron

2. Don't worry too much about missing a rotation. A missed foul is worse than a missed rotation.

I can't emphasize this one enough. While it's important to use peripheral vision to know where your partners are positioned, your main focus should be on any competitive match-ups in your PCA whether or not the ball is in your primary.

Good luck!

[bainsey]

For what it's worth, I got thrown into an unexpected 3-man situation two months ago.

I was working the typical 2-man crew in a JV game, when my partner tore his Achilles in the second quarter. I ran up to the locker room to alert the varsity officials, who had just arrived. My partner and I finished the half somehow (he stayed near the division line, I tried working lead on both ends...whew!).

In the second half, I was expecting that only one would fill in, but the veteran pair announced to me that we were going 3-man. I'm a 5th year official, and I hadn't taken the 3-man training, figuring I wouldn't need it until next year, at least. I haven't really looked at the 3-man mechanics in the book, so I got uncomfortable quickly. I admit it was a bit disoriented at first, as my partners had to tell me where to go and how to get there. I only had a vague idea what the center's PCA was. In time, though, the pointers settled in, and I got the flow of it.

Simply put, if I can figure it out with zero training, you should be fine after studying the book, and a lot quicker than I did.

[Da Official]

Originally Posted by bainsey

For what it's worth, I got thrown into an unexpected 3-man situation two months ago.

I was working the typical 2-man crew in a JV game, when my partner tore his Achilles in the second quarter. I ran up to the locker room to alert the varsity officials, who had just arrived. My partner and I finished the half somehow (he stayed near the division line, I tried working lead on both ends...whew!).

In the second half, I was expecting that only one would fill in, but the veteran pair announced to me that we were going 3-man. I'm a 5th year official, and I hadn't taken the 3-man training, figuring I wouldn't need it until next year, at least. I haven't really looked at the 3-man mechanics in the book, so I got uncomfortable quickly. I admit it was a bit disoriented at first, as my partners had to tell me where to go and how to get there. I only had a vague idea what the center's PCA was. In time, though, the pointers settled in, and I got the flow of it.

Simply put, if I can figure it out with zero training, you should be fine after studying the book, and a lot quicker than I did.

I'm not really sure you actually "figure"d out 3 Man in one half of a basketball. It took me 2 camps and about 15 games for me to even attempt to say I've figured it out.......but to each his own.

[mikeref]

It still amazes me that officials new to 3 person think they have it all figured out after working half a game or even 10,20, or 30 games. I guess that is just the world we live in, everything is done now and at a rapid pace. I have been working 3 person for about 12 years, and am now comfortable saying that "I get it."I may be a slow learner, but I do think we all have the opinion that we learn quicker than we do. For any official to think they skilled and adept at all of the nuances of 3 person mechanics after less than 2 or 3 seasons (at minimum) or after 50-75 games (at minimum) is a less than accurate statement.
Be careful with that over inflated opinion we have concerning our knowledge and understanding of 3 person. To know the basics is one thing, but to be able to work it as it should be worked is quite a different story. It takes practice, practice, and more practice to instinctively react to the changing flow of a game to really work the game as it was intended with 3 officials. Be careful of all the self inflicted back patting on your skill level. the bottom line is that it really takes years and hundreds of games before we call the game without thinking of calling the game. Where's my primary? Should i have put a whistle on that play? Was i correct in rotating as soon or as slow as I did? Can I be trusted to call my primary? do I reach out of my primary when I should and when I should not?
Interested in your thoughts. thanks

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by constable

So I'm going to a camp this summer that's all 3 whistle. I've immersed myself in the manual, and watch as many games as I can but I'm hoping you guys can shed some light on what are some of the big differences are?

What was the learning curve like? What are some of the mistakes you first made? What do I need to know that the manual DOESN'T tell me.

Thanks.

PS If anyone has FIBA experience, that would be great since that's what I'll be using.

The learning curve for me really was not that high, as I came along at a time when I was learning both at the same time. That being said to understand 3 you must understand 2 and why they add another official. The main thing that anyone that works 3 Person is to know the rotations and switches. After that it is just officiating. The manuals often to do tell you that part when to rotate and when to not rotate. At least not one that I have read so far.

Peace