School alleges discrimination by Philly refs

[jdmara]

I love the last line of the article. But to be fair, UNI has one black player

-Josh

[jdmara]

At least these players are learning the valuable lesson that if you don't succeed, play the race card and make excuses

-Josh

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jdmara

I love the last line of the article. But to be fair, UNI has one black player

-Josh

Did the article say that the team MC&S lost to didn't have any Black players?

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Did the article say that the team MC&S lost to didn't have any Black players?

So you're saying this article is suppose to bring out the fact that not only are the official's racist but they are unfairly being discriminatory to just one school's black population but not the other? Come on, we both know what's going on here

-Josh

[mutantducky]

I would like to see associations make rules that any player using the N word to teammates or opponents will get a T. Not the place for it.
And maybe some calls went against the team but if your team and players are acting like clowns and not respecting the game from the start then don't expect to get calls from the refs. Refs should try to be neutral but at any level bad mouthing them and not playing the game right will result in more calls going against the team.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I would like to see associations make rules that any player using the N word to teammates or opponents will get a T.

WHOA! Hold the boat here! You are telling me that you allow the N-word to be said in your contests? I don't care who they are or are not saying it to, "T". It's an inappropriate word, period

-Josh

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Refs should try to be neutral but at any level bad mouthing them and not playing the game right will result in more calls going against the team.

Do you ref?

[boss21]

Since Mrs. Joyner wasn't at the game she really can only go on hearsay.
But in all fairness why is it that during the state finals there is never enough officals from the Philly area, maybe sometimes a familar face would prevent some of theese allegations. You mena to tell me there are no refs from Dist 12 that qualify to do these games..........

[boss21]

Philly teams from the Public League always get officals they've never seen before, thats no problem, but there has to be some officals from the Public League that qualify to do these state games?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by boss21

Philly teams from the Public League always get officals they've never seen before, thats no problem, but there has to be some officals from the Public League that qualify to do these state games?

Sure, but why would they be scheduled to work a game where one team was from the league they work? The state likely sends them out somewhere else (and probably should).

Now, if the crew had never worked this caliber of ball that would be another story.

A few years ago, there was a coach in the area here from one of the big schools in the city that got a crew of rural-area officials that probably didn't work a Division 1 game all season. Those officials called a very different game (pretty much any contact was a foul) and the city team ended up losing the game. The coach blasted the officiating afterwards in the press and, while I would never condone a coach doing so, I could understand some of the points he was making about how the officials get assigned to games. Let's face it - if you've never worked a team from a city conference where there's above-the-rim, physical play with D1 prospects on many of the teams in the conference, you aren't ready to learn how to do it in a state playoff game.

Maybe if this person in the article wasn't so quick to scream "racism" issues like this would've come out in this story and there would be something for the PIAA to actually look at and see if there was something to improve in the assigning process. Instead, they come off as whiny crybabies who don't like that they got thumped in a game against a very good team.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Do you ref?

Sad, ain't it?

[mutantducky]

"And maybe some calls went against the team but if your team and players are acting like clowns and not respecting the game from the start then don't expect to get calls from the refs. Refs should try to be neutral but at any level bad mouthing them and not playing the game right will result in more calls going against the team."


So you think that comment is wrong? Seems basic to me and you see it all the time. NBA for instance and I've been to a bunch of games where that happens. If you don't think that occurs then you are ignoring refs like Crawford and others who give out T's much more freely(doesen't make them bad refs or the whole NBA ref scandal which only someone completely ignorant would deny there wasn't any truth to it.
As for my NCAA comments people can disagree about that line violation but the refs MESSED up on that last play where they didn't put time back. Others here have pointed that out as well.

somewhat off topic but it had to do with race, there was an article about flash mobs in Philly in the Nytimes today. From reading it most of the teens involved are from the inner-city parts.

[bradfordwilkins]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

"
So you think that comment is wrong? Seems basic to me and you see it all the time. NBA for instance and I've been to a bunch of games where that happens. If you don't think that occurs then you are ignoring refs like Crawford and others who give out T's much more freely(doesen't make them bad refs or the whole NBA ref scandal which only someone completely ignorant would deny there wasn't any truth to it.
As for my NCAA comments people can disagree about that line violation but the refs MESSED up on that last play where they didn't put time back. Others here have pointed that out as well..

Three questions

1) Your premise is that "players are acting like clowns and not respecting the game from the start then don't expect to get calls from the refs"... but then you explain your explanation deals exclusively with TECHNICAL fouls. Does it not stand to reason that if players are acting like clowns and being disrespectful, that then they would get Technical fouls?

2) How is the players getting technical fouls NOT getting calls from the refs? I guarantee you if I or 99% of referees give a player a technical foul and the next time down they go up for a shot and get fouled, I'm still calling that foul .
3) You throw Joe Crawfords name out there as "evidence" -- how many technical fouls has Joe Crawford given this year?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Refs should try to be neutral but at any level bad mouthing them and not playing the game right will result in more calls going against the team.

Does that include other officials bad-mouthing them from the stands?

so much fun...and nightmare

Just wondering.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Does that include other officials bad-mouthing them from the stands?

so much fun...and nightmare

Just wondering.....

Wow. And he still doesn't get it. Explains a lot of his posts on the tourney as well.