The sleaziest coach in a sleazy game

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Have you ever met and talked to Michael Beasley?
Are you aware of the contract one of the KSU assistants received?

Did Martin recruit Beasely? And, I would expect all NCAA coaches sign contracts...not just one per staff.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Did Martin recruit Beasely? And, I would expect all NCAA coaches sign contracts...not just one per staff.

Obviously, you are more worried about being a smart a$$ than understanding what I'm saying.

1. Beasley suited up during Martin's watch. If I need to slow down for you I will.
2. Yes, all assistants sign contracts, but not like this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Obviously, you are more worried about being a smart a$$ than understanding what I'm saying.

1. Beasley suited up during Martin's watch. If I need to slow down for you I will.
2. Yes, all assistants sign contracts, but not like this.

I'll agreet he contract looks fishy, but you didn't answer his question about who recruited Beasley. I'm assuming, based on timing, that Beasley was recruited and signed under Huggins. When was Hill's contract signed? Seems to me that falls on the AD, assuming the deal was done before Martin arrived.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Obviously, you are more worried about being a smart a$$ than understanding what I'm saying.

1. Beasley suited up during Martin's watch. If I need to slow down for you I will.
2. Yes, all assistants sign contracts, but not like this.

There are hundreds of players that play for a new coach who were recruited by a former coach. Was this the case with Beasely?

As far as Hill's contract is concerned, I didn't read anything in that article that overtly stated KSU's AD did anything unethical. Is Hill overpaid? The argument can easily be made. In the end, it looks like Hill brokered a heckuva deal for himself. If that is all this is, then it's nothing more than sour grapes. If there is inproprieties involved with the recruiting of Beasely on the part of Hill and KSU, then there is a problem.

[tomegun]

Beasley was delivered to KSU in exchange for that contract.
I'm not saying there were improprieties involved with Beasley's recruiting, I'm saying he actually got on the floor during Martin's watch. Are you understanding yet? I met Beasley, I officiated him during his sophomore and junior seasons - he went to four different schools in high school or maybe I should say he was schooled four different ways - and I know about his history. Basically, I would say testing isn't his thing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Beasley was delivered to KSU in exchange for that contract.
I'm not saying there were improprieties involved with Beasley's recruiting, I'm saying he actually got on the floor during Martin's watch. Are you understanding yet? I met Beasley, I officiated him during his sophomore and junior seasons - he went to four different schools in high school or maybe I should say he was schooled four different ways - and I know about his history. Basically, I would say testing isn't his thing.

Are you suggesting a more scrupulous coach would have turned away a player that was recruited by his predecessor? What should trigger that decision?

You put Martin in the category of sleazy coaches. I'm not challenging that assertion per se; I'm just questioning your supporting evidence. If you've got other reasons for believing that, that's cool; I just don't see how the contract signed by his assistant (presumably before he got there) or playing time for a player whom he did not recruit. If there's some reason he should have benched or dismissed Beasley, then that's different.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Are you suggesting a more scrupulous coach would have turned away a player that was recruited by his predecessor? What should trigger that decision?

You put Martin in the category of sleazy coaches. I'm not challenging that assertion per se; I'm just questioning your supporting evidence. If you've got other reasons for believing that, that's cool; I just don't see how the contract signed by his assistant (presumably before he got there) or playing time for a player whom he did not recruit. If there's some reason he should have benched or dismissed Beasley, then that's different.

Wow, you really don't understand what I'm saying? I met him, I know of his history and I don't think test taking is his thing. Martin may not have recruited him, but he put him on the floor. His talent is obvious. So, for the NCAA what else is there? You can't understand that?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Wow, you really don't understand what I'm saying? I met him, I know of his history and I don't think test taking is his thing. Martin may not have recruited him, but he put him on the floor. His talent is obvious. So, for the NCAA what else is there? You can't understand that?

No, tom, I don't understand. You presented Beasley as exhibit A in the case against Martin. If I read that wrong, I'm sorry. If not, I'm trying to figure out what it is you think a more scrupulous coach would have done with him.

Let's assume he took crap classes and barely passed that first semester of his freshman year. Calling Martin a sleaze implies he should have done things differently; I'm trying to figure out what you think he should have done differently with regard to Beasley and Hill.

I'm trying to get it, but I don't understand how Beasley's test taking abilities translate to "Martin is a sleazeball."

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Beasley was delivered to KSU in exchange for that contract.
I'm not saying there were improprieties involved with Beasley's recruiting, I'm saying he actually got on the floor during Martin's watch. Are you understanding yet? I met Beasley, I officiated him during his sophomore and junior seasons - he went to four different schools in high school or maybe I should say he was schooled four different ways - and I know about his history. Basically, I would say testing isn't his thing.

So, what is the problem? And, if there was a problem with his recruitment/academic handling, I'd be interested in reading some type of legitimate, validating information....which I've yet to see.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Beasley was delivered to KSU in exchange for that contract.
I'm not saying there were improprieties involved with Beasley's recruiting, I'm saying he actually got on the floor during Martin's watch. Are you understanding yet? I met Beasley, I officiated him during his sophomore and junior seasons - he went to four different schools in high school or maybe I should say he was schooled four different ways - and I know about his history. Basically, I would say testing isn't his thing.

Further to this...and something that I wasn't aware of until this morning....Martin was fired in 1988 from being the head coach of Miami Senior High as a result of recruiting and inducement scandal. He was eventually cleared but the firing stood. He was then hired as a recruiting co-ordinator at Northeastern before joining Huggins at both Cincy and KSU doing the same thing.

Y'all know my opinion of Huggins.

Certainly does make you say "hmmmmmmmm".

[Texas Aggie]

Could you name 10 players that Bobby Knight had on his three championship teams?

The three you mentioned, plus:
Quinn Buckner
Uwe Blab
Kent Benson
Scott May
Tom Abernathy
Darryl (somebody)

OK, that's 9. If I thought more about it, I could probably come up with at least one more.

I can't name ANY of the players on either of Kentucky's recent championships. I can only name one off the Florida champions.

How many can you name off ANY of the Duke championship teams? How about more than half a dozen off the Wooden UCLA teams other than Kareem and Walton?

My point is this is nonsense. A casual fan being able to name players off a winning team doesn't prove or disprove the talent level at that team.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

The three you mentioned, plus:
Quinn Buckner
Uwe Blab
Kent Benson
Scott May
Tom Abernathy
Darryl (somebody)

OK, that's 9. If I thought more about it, I could probably come up with at least one more.

I can't name ANY of the players on either of Kentucky's recent championships. I can only name one off the Florida champions.

How many can you name off ANY of the Duke championship teams? How about more than half a dozen off the Wooden UCLA teams other than Kareem and Walton?

My point is this is nonsense. A casual fan being able to name players off a winning team doesn't prove or disprove the talent level at that team.

If you think it is nonsense then what does that say about you since you just participated? The point is it is easy to name players from UNC's championship teams because they are NBA players and in many cases stars.

I would guess that there are some circumstances surrounding the fact that you can remember Uwe Blab, but nobody from the other teams you mentioned.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I would guess that there are some circumstances surrounding the fact that you can remember Uwe Blab, but nobody from the other teams you mentioned.

Now there is a name from the past that I haven't heard in a while. He attended the same HS that I did only years later in his case.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Lcubed48

Now there is a name from the past that I haven't heard in a while. He attended the same HS that I did only years later in his case.

UWE was not on a national championship team. And the Daryl was Daryl Thomas. Yeah, I can go way back! (My favorite being Purdue post players!)