Embarrassing travel play

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

I dont know if you have ever gone to a D1 camp at all, but one of the primary mantras that is passed on about travelling is to not call the ones that are very questionable (they eschew upon you to call only the obvious).

I understand your point here, but I can't help myself.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Reminds me of the guy who called into the local sports radio show and said "we won't settle for mediocrisy."

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I understand your point here, but I can't help myself.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Reminds me of the guy who called into the local sports radio show and said "we won't settle for mediocrisy."

you are right - eschew is the complete opposite of what I am trying to say...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

you are right - eschew is the complete opposite of what I am trying to say...

We've all done it, didn't mean to pick on you.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

I dont know if you have ever gone to a D1 camp at all, but one of the primary mantras that is passed on about travelling is to not call the ones that are very questionable (they eschew upon you to call only the obvious). the reason I have been told is that, especially at the mens level, the footwork can be so quick that there is a reasonable amount of chance that we can be wrong.

travels look much different in real time and on TV, and with replays. I do think this is one of the hardest calls to get right as officials especially at the higher levels. Judging ball and pivot foot in real time is very tough and unless you are 100% sure as an official on the court you cannot make the call.

I can't even spell D1 camp, but there are travels I see on tv while reading the paper with one eye and sorta watching the game with the other which more and more frequently go uncalled . If this is what we get with 100% sure, I suggest we try a lower number.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I can't even spell D1 camp, but there are travels I see on tv while reading the paper with one eye and sorta watching the game with the other which more and more frequently go uncalled . If this is what we get with 100% sure, I suggest we try a lower number.

JAR - my contention with posts like these are that I can guarantee going over tape of any of our games we will see calls that are that we dont call, or for that matter miss.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to point out the very obvious missed call on a TV game and bash it. I mean what's the argument, and what good does it do any of us. It just seems like worthless nitpicking when we start piling on the, "Man if that was my game I would NEVER let that happen." When the fact of the matter is you HAVE let that happen. We all have. My 2c.

True, but I'd rather miss one than call one that never happened

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

True, but I'd rather miss one than call one that never happened

Agree. But I'd rather call one that never happened than miss ten.

hahahaaa I'm with you on that!

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I can't even spell D1 camp, but there are travels I see on tv while reading the paper with one eye and sorta watching the game with the other which more and more frequently go uncalled . If this is what we get with 100% sure, I suggest we try a lower number.

Ditto. I'll admit that I rewind a few at times, but a lot of them are obvious right off the bat and they let them go. The ones that I can't stand are when the player catches a pass with one foot on the ground, jumps and lands on both feet, then pivots. Also the post player who either lifts his pivot foot before starting the dribble or lifts it and puts it back down after ending the dribble.

deecee, I understand what you're saying, but the D1 guys are paid the big bucks for a reason. I'm expected to call traveling as it happens at my level so they should be expected to do the same at their level.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

True, but I'd rather miss one than call one that never happened

Or would you rather call 10 that are not there. Welcome to the world of high school officiating.

Peace

[Raymond]

I think WVU's Butler committed 2 travelling violations before getting his game-winner off against Cincy.

[hoopguy]

deecee - You need to be clear that you are talking about MEN's DI. The womens game philosophy is different. They want travels called and it is a point of emphasis. You rarely see a spin move travel in womens go uncalled.


I do not think the officials are missing these obvious travel violations. I believe they are passing on them. The guys working DI mens games are way too good to not see what we are seeing. The DI mens officials are all calling similar games which is as it should be. They are passing on many traveling calls but the key is consistency. One official can not call a different game than his crew, it fouls up the whole game. In the DI mens game they are allowing the spin move travel. I do not believe I have seen it called all year in the DI mens game but they are consistent which is key. Everyone needs to be on the same page and the players will adjust. The outside travels on catches rarely affect the play nor does the play Bilas was referring too. I do, however, have an issue with the extra steps on scoring plays that give distinct advantage to the offense but once again the officials are consistent so it does not favor a team. As we all should know, in order to be a successful official, you have to call the game the way the game is expected to be called not necessarily the way the rule is written, just watch the top guys ref a DI game.

At all levels, from the lowest to the highest, as an official, you must understand how the game is expected to be called and adjust. We all know this and the mens DI guys do too.