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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 09:03am
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travel or play on

A1 goes up for a shot being gaurded by B1. B1 knocks the ball out of A1 hands while A1 on his way up for shot. A1 regains control of ball while in air and returns to floor. Is this traveling or not??
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 09:09am
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A1 goes up for a shot being gaurded by B1. B1 knocks the ball out of A1 hands while A1 on his way up for shot. A1 regains control of ball while in air and returns to floor. Is this traveling or not??
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Nope, no travel, play on.
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 09:23am
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Here's a twist, same sitch, only this time player just fumbles the ball in the air but is able to regain control before landing. What ya got now?
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 09:27am
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That's what I thought but cannot find a clear cut answer in the case book.
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 09:35am
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That's what I thought but cannot find a clear cut answer in the case book.
I think the thing here is control. Once the ball is release for a shot, then the player can get the ball back, plus it was blocked which allows him to recover it also.

SECTION 5 ILLEGAL DRIBBLE
A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 . . . A try for field goal.
ART. 2 . . . A bat by an opponent.
ART. 3 . . . A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by, another player.
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Here's a twist, same sitch, only this time player just fumbles the ball in the air but is able to regain control before landing. What ya got now?
We argued this one to death before, with no definitive ruling or consensus iirc. Some say travel(me). Some say legal.
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 11:02am
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JR, NCAA 4-18.4 A.R.82 says it is ok to recover in the air and land. Can not start a dribble.
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 11:09am
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JR, NCAA 4-18.4 A.R.82 says it is ok to recover in the air and land. Can not start a dribble.
That was brought out too during the extensive discussion. There's no similar ruling available in NFHS.
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 11:19am
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I agree. Would like to see a case play in NFHS rule book.
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 12:16pm
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Here's a twist, same sitch, only this time player just fumbles the ball in the air but is able to regain control before landing. What ya got now?
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 12:29pm
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bbtaylor64 are you the authority on when an official makes an eneducated guess?
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 12:47pm
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Here's a twist, same sitch, only this time player just fumbles the ball in the air but is able to regain control before landing. What ya got now?
Travel in this sitch. No shot attempt, no contact by another player, just jumping in the air and fumbling the ball? Pivot foot lifted off the floor, must do something with the ball.
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 01:16pm
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Travel in this sitch. No shot attempt, no contact by another player, just jumping in the air and fumbling the ball? Pivot foot lifted off the floor, must do something with the ball.
It is a travel to start a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor. What this the case? No. A fumble is not a dribble.

It is a travel to move the feet beyond certain limits while holding the ball. Did this happen? No, the player was not holding the ball.
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 01:30pm
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Cam, Cam, Cam.

Read the OP.

Player leaps in the air, fumbles the ball, regains posession, lands. That isn't a travel?

WOW!!
I think NFHS 4.44.3b says this is the case.
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Old Mon Jan 22, 2007, 04:06pm
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I think NFHS 4.44.3b says this is the case.
4.44.3b refers to after a pivot foot being established. Can you jump for a shot without establishing a pivot foot?

It also refers to a player "holding" the ball, while here, we're talking about a fumble.
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