Awkward Jump Ball Administration - Foreshadowing....

[Adam]

No need for the frowny face, Nevada, I was actually re-thinking this little bit.

I only had one partner give the black line speech this year, but a few point. Frankly, I didn't pay that much attention to whether my partners pointed as R.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No need for the frowny face, Nevada, I was actually re-thinking this little bit.

I only had one partner give the black line speech this year, but a few point. Frankly, I didn't pay that much attention to whether my partners pointed as R.

My was no reflection upon you. It merely demonstrated how I feel about a referee taking that action prior to the toss.

I do pay attention because I also note if they tell the players to hold their spots. (Double frown to those folks!)

I guess I just feel that the pre-toss point lacks a certain professionalism and gives the impression to the coaches that the official is a newbie. It strikes me the same as crossing one's body to point direction on an OOB call instead of using the other arm.

JMO

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It strikes me the same as crossing one's body to point direction on an OOB call instead of using the other arm.

They should be horse-whipped.

Horse-whipped, I tell ya!!

How come nobody ever says somebody should be cow-whipped? Or poodle-whipped? I've spent many hours pondering that question. Many, many hours. Almost as many as the number of hours I've spent not worrying if somebody got an OOB call right but didn't point exactly by the manual.

Gnu-whipped?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

They should be horse-whipped.

Horse-whipped, I tell ya!!

How come nobody ever says somebody should be cow-whipped? Or poodle-whipped? I've spent many hours pondering that question. Many, many hours. Almost as many as the number of hours I've spent not worrying if somebody got an OOB call right but didn't point exactly by the manual.

Gnu-whipped?

I'm glad you left those poor beavers off your list. I don't know if I could take another mental image of a beaver gettin' whipped.

You know, this is one argument I actually agree with both of you. Nah, I'm not running for political office, but there really is validity on both sides. First, I agree with you that getting the call right is the most important thing. I even had one supervisor tell me the story about how he was marked down on an evaluation once because he didn't have his thumb tucked in properly when he pointed! And, no mention was given as to whether any of his calls were correct. Since then, when he observes officials, his most important criteria is whether the calls are correct.

There is also a reason we have a specific set of signals and mechanics, so we can effectively communicate with players and coaches, no matter where we are, or what gym we work. Plus, the better we look, the more likely we will be perceived as professional and that we know what we're doing. If I work with an official that is sloppy with their mechanics, how do I know they aren't sloppy with their rules knowledge as well? If they don't want to take the time to learn the proper areas of coverage and signals, chances are they aren't going to know some of the rule basics as well.

That said, if I work with an official for the first time who steps into the circle saying, "Red this way, white that way", chances are they probably also just got there 10 minutes before, already wearing their collared shirt and belted pants, and I know I'm going to have issues all game. But if I work with someone for the first time who got there early, had a good pregame, looks sharp, shoes shined, then steps into the circle and says the same thing - I'm not going to think twice about it.

Procedures, signals, and mechanics are all part of the total picture, along with rules and judgement.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I don't know if I could take another mental image of a beaver gettin' whipped.

Sure you could. Why should today be different than any other day?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sure you could. Why should today be different than any other day?

Umm...gave it up for Lent?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Umm...gave it up for Lent?

Naw, you gave it up because you're beaver-whipped.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

That said, if I work with an official for the first time who steps into the circle saying, "Red this way, white that way", chances are they probably also just got there 10 minutes before, already wearing their collared shirt and belted pants, and I know I'm going to have issues all game.

Or maybe they are an IAABO official, which relies on its own mechanics manual, not the one the HFHS publishes.

IAABO mechanic for jump ball for the referee:
"Verbally and by directional signal indicate the teams' basket."

So in these parts, the official who does not do that is seen as the one who arrived 10 minutes early, doesn't care about prescribed mechanics, etc.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Or maybe they are an IAABO official, which relies on its own mechanics manual, not the one the HFHS publishes.

IAABO mechanic for jump ball for the referee:
"Verbally and by directional signal indicate the teams' basket."

So in these parts, the official who does not do that is seen as the one who arrived 10 minutes early, doesn't care about prescribed mechanics, etc.

Point taken. This example was not meant to be a slam on IAABO mechanics, but rather an extention of the example given by Nevadaref's response to Snaqwells. You can insert any other non-approved mechanic in my response.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Or maybe they are an IAABO official, which relies on its own mechanics manual, not the one the HFHS publishes.

IAABO mechanic for jump ball for the referee:
"Verbally and by directional signal indicate the teams' basket."

So in these parts, the official who does not do that is seen as the one who arrived 10 minutes early, doesn't care about prescribed mechanics, etc.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Point taken. This example was not meant to be a slam on IAABO mechanics, but rather an extention of the example given by Nevadaref's response to Snaqwells. You can insert any other non-approved mechanic in my response.

Actually, this makes me feel better, as I am in an IAABO state. I could have sworn I'd seen it in the manual, but took NV's word that it was not. BayState's post got me to double check and sure enough, there it is. Maybe that explains why the partners I've seen do that mechanic don't also talk about black lines and hand checks during the captains' meeting.