HS Boys Shot Clock Question

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Originally Posted by biz

I'm confused...Are people saying that if the violation occurred when the shot clock horn sounded (ie there wasn't a shot attempt just before the shot clock expired) and the officials recognized the violation (blew the whistle and patted his/her head) and there was definite knowledge of how much time was on the game clock when the violation occurred that we shouldn't put the 1.5 seconds back on the game clock?

Just looking for clarification.

The problem is that there is a difference between what you have written and "there is definite knowledge of how much time was on the game clock when an official sounded the whistle."

I know of no rule at the high school level stating to stop the game clock when the shot clock horn sounds, even if it signals an immediate violation because there isn't a try for goal in flight. Even at the NCAA level the rules for the game clock must be followed. Therefore, the NCAA wrote a play ruling for shot clock violations.

A.R. 33. There are 37 seconds (men) or 32 seconds (women) on the
game clock and 35 seconds (men) or 30 seconds (women) on
the shot clock. Team A uses time before A1 releases the ball for
a try for goal. After A1 releases the ball, the shot-clock horn
sounds. The ball does not strike the ring or flange. The officials
call a shot-clock violation. At the same time as the official’s
whistle, the game clock sounds, signaling that the period has
ended. Shall the official put two seconds back on the game
clock?
RULING: No. The shot-clock horn sounded at the expiration of the
shot-clock period; however, this does not stop play unless recognized
by the official’s whistle. The official’s whistle for the shot-clock violation
stopped play. The expiration of playing time was indicated by
the timer’s signal. This signal shall terminate player activity (Rule
2-10.14). The period ended with the violation. However, in games
with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and an official courtside
television monitor, when in the judgment of the official time has
elapsed from when he or she signaled for the clock to be stopped to
when the game clock stopped, the monitor may be used to determine
the correct time to be put back on the game clock. In games without
an official courtside television monitor, the official is required to have
definite information relative to the time involved to correct the time
elapsed.
(Rule 2-13.2.c.3, 4-62, 2-10.14, 2-11.9, 5-10.1.c, 5-10.2.a, and
6-5.1.d)

Unfortunately, our friend w_sohl believes that CA has a different ruling. He posted: "CA High School rules...

If there was no try involved, put the time back on the clock...
If a try is involved then you need to determin how much time based on when you think the try ended."

I'm saying that he is incorrect. Not because what he advocates doesn't make sense, but because it doesn't mesh with the WRITTEN RULES.

Therefore, the officials need to know what the clock was WHEN THE WHISTLE BLEW, not when the try failed to strike the ring or when the shot clock horn sounded and there wasn't a try in flight.

Even at the NCAA level, the officials don't reset the clock to the difference between the game clock and the shot clock. However, that is what is done in the NBA, but the NBA rules specify that. I am challenging w_sohl to post a definitive ruling from CA stating to reset the game clock to something other than when the whistle blew. I don't believe that such exists, and without it the officials have to fall back on the NFHS timing rules.