Bobby Huggins Ejection

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Even though I do agree with the point of his post that you had no basis to disagree with the T that was called, that is no reason to assume you'd sell out a partner or not back them up. He just likes to dump on people for the fun of it. Just ignore him. Rather than trying to understand what you meant or to educate you, he has more fun ridiculing and belittling you....it is his way of making himself feel more important.

And this would be YOUR way of feeling more important???

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And this would be YOUR way of feeling more important???

Are you even serious?

I don't dump all over someone because I disagree with them. It is far more productive and beneficial to have a dialog instead of an insult fest. Our new visitor was blindsided with vitriol for no good reason. That is simply not the way people should be treated.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Are you even serious?

I don't dump all over someone because I disagree with them. It is far more productive and beneficial to have a dialog instead of an insult fest. Our new visitor was blindsided with vitriol for no good reason. That is simply not the way people should be treated.

You dumped on JR because you disagree with him.

Disagree: JR engaged in dialog, visitor stuck to his guns, JR called him out. Did you read the entire thread? Seemed productive to me.

JMO.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Seemed productive to me.

No longer though.

Time to let this one die a natural death.

Opinion appreciated, Mike.

[Jay R]

I dump on you, you dump on me, somebody stands up for me. This could go on all day, and it does.

What can the average official (I'm very average) learn from this situation with Huggins?

1. It's good to have rules of thumb like not going to the team's huddle at the begining of a timeout and not having the same official give both Ts

2. Rules of thumb don't always apply. Sometimes you HAVE the give the coach or the player the boot right away

3. Nobody knows what exactly was said but everyone who saw the video came away with their perception. (I would like to know what Stuart was doing there in the first place but if it was Huggins who called him over, then so be it)

4. Some coaches (like Huggins) have a hard time restraining themselves. Whether the ejection was warranted or not, I don't know. But I do know that Huggins used the word "motherf***ker" when he was speaking to Cahill after the Ts. Hardly a class act.

We had an official in our area eject a coach on successive technical fouls earlier this year. The first T was for loudly objecting to a call. About 15 seconds later, the coach quietly commented that he would contact the league. He was gone. In my opinion, the official could have easily ignored the second comment because he was one of the only people in the gym who heard it. He felt the comment by the coach was undermining him. From an outsider's point of view, it appeared that this official was eager to hand out the second T.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jay R

We had an official in our area eject a coach on successive technical fouls earlier this year. The first T was for loudly objecting to a call. About 15 seconds later, the coach quietly commented that he would contact the league. He was gone. In my opinion, the official could have easily ignored the second comment because he was one of the only people in the gym who heard it. He felt the comment by the coach was undermining him. From an outdider's point of view, it appeared that this official was eager to hand out the second T.

To me, this 2nd T should be an easy call. No matter which way you look at it, he's threatening the official; he's also testing him to see if he has any stones. When I was in Iowa, a directive came from the state that explicitly said we were to toss a coach who threatened to rate us poorly.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

To me, this 2nd T should be an easy call. No matter which way you look at it, he's threatening the official; he's also testing him to see if he has any stones. When I was in Iowa, a directive came from the state that explicitly said we were to toss a coach who threatened to rate us poorly.

I agree. That deserves a ticket home.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You dumped on JR because you disagree with him.

Disagree: JR engaged in dialog, visitor stuck to his guns, JR called him out. Did you read the entire thread? Seemed productive to me.

JMO.

I'm all for pointing out the mistakes of the new visitor...and Jurrassic was completely right on the points related to what the visitor had said about the T being deserved or not. Unfortunately, he extrapolated what the visitor said to put words in his mouth about what kind of partner he'd be...totally unwarranted and unjustified. As much as JR clearly knows about officiating (he's usually right), he just can't seem to have a debate on the points without insulting someone or exaggerating their words. That is what is wrong. Treat the new guy with every bit of respect you expect for yourself...even if the other person is completely wrong.

[Judtech]

It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong, I am NOT a big man - Chevy Chase "Fletch Lives"
BUT being 6'4"...........
I believe I DID admit my error in judging the warrantedness (if that is even a word) of the "T". If not, I offer once again my Mea Culpa, throwing my self on my sword while ripping my clothes and sitting on a pile of ashes while wearing sack cloth.
Can't we all just get along? - Rodney King

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong, I am NOT a big man - Chevy Chase "Fletch Lives"
BUT being 6'4"...........
I believe I DID admit my error in judging the warrantedness (if that is even a word) of the "T". If not, I offer once again my Mea Culpa, throwing my self on my sword while ripping my clothes and sitting on a pile of ashes while wearing sack cloth.
Can't we all just get along? - Rodney King

Just for the record, the other issue seems to be your insistence that it was handled incorrectly without having the necessary information.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm all for pointing out the mistakes of the new visitor...and Jurrassic was completely right on the points related to what the visitor had said about the T being deserved or not. Unfortunately, he extrapolated what the visitor said to put words in his mouth about what kind of partner he'd be...totally unwarranted and unjustified. As much as JR clearly knows about officiating (he's usually right), he just can't seem to have a debate on the points without insulting someone or exaggerating their words. That is what is wrong. Treat the new guy with every bit of respect you expect for yourself...even if the other person is completely wrong.

OK. I happen to agree with JR that what people say reflects their character, and that you can learn a lot about what kind of partner someone would be by listening carefully to what they say. Not everything, but a lot.

JR's inferences seem a little too quick sometimes, but then again he's experienced a lot more partners than I have. You find his conclusions "totally unwarranted and unjustified." I disagree with that, and in any case his point might be that people need to be more aware of the connections between what they say and how they behave on the court.

When JR says "you're full of crap, and you probably throw partners under the bus," perhaps he's really making a more general point like: "People who say crap like that make terrible partners." Maybe his mode of expressing it comes off sounding personal; but the lesson behind it might be true, and so worth learning from, no?