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Judtech Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:03am

Bobby Huggins Ejection
 
Anyone see it? Would love to know what the thought process was behind the ejection. I have always been taught that if you T a coach it should NOT appear as though you egged the coach on. Also, if you are going to throw a coach the person who gave them their first T shouldn't be the one who throws the coach

DLH17 Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:12am

I didn't see the situation, but, theoretically - I've been taught the same protocol for TFs and ejections. Administer the T, then get the heck away from the bench/scorer's table area.

Jurassic Referee Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:14am

I saw it. I also don't know what was said and neither do you. So, claiming that Huggins was possibly egged-on is sheer conjecture on your part. You don't know what triggered either "T"..and neither do any of us. And if a coach wants to get thrown, it doesn't matter who throws him. You don't ignore crap to let a partner take care of bidness for you.

Huggins is one of the all-time greats when it comes to whining, moaning, b!tching and trying to intimidate officials. He has to be in the top 5 when it comes to scumbag coaches.

He got what he deserved.

doubleringer Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:14am

I watched the ESPN highlights and they only showed the first T. Looked like Huggins said the wrong thing, the official walked away and called the T. After that all they showed was Huggins trying to get out of his huddle to go complain more and his assistants were restraining him. Evidently they didn't get the job done.

Drizzle Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:20am

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Originally Posted by doubleringer (Post 664022)
I watched the ESPN highlights and they only showed the first T. Looked like Huggins said the wrong thing, the official walked away and called the T. After that all they showed was Huggins trying to get out of his huddle to go complain more and his assistants were restraining him. Evidently they didn't get the job done.

He got his second T while his assistants were restraining him. He likely said some magic words because the calling official gave them both in a short time span.

DLH17 Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:21am

I don't think whacking a coach then walking away is letting your partner "take care of your bidness". Walking away often helps diffuse the situation at the very least. There's no reason to linger within earshot of the coach. That's almost baiting.

edit: maybe this isn't how officials are trained to handle out of control coaches in the college ranks, though.

Jurassic Referee Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 664026)
I don't think whacking a coach then walking away is letting your partner "take care of your bidness". Walking away often helps diffuse the situation at the very least. There's no reason to linger within earshot of the coach. That's almost baiting.

And do you know exactly what was said by Huggins while the official was trying to walk away?

Please share with the rest of us.

DLH17 Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:31am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 664028)
And do you know exactly what was said by Huggins while the official was trying to walk away?

Please share with the rest of us.

No, I'm not approaching the original post from that angle. I'm more interested in how we, as officials under NFHS rules, should handle a situation with a coach that has been given a T.

To that end, I'm not interested in the other side of the conversation that revolves around the emotion/words allegedly used by Huggins.

Adam Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 664026)
I don't think whacking a coach then walking away is letting your partner "take care of your bidness". Walking away often helps diffuse the situation at the very least. There's no reason to linger within earshot of the coach. That's almost baiting.

edit: maybe this isn't how officials are trained to handle out of control coaches in the college ranks, though.

You're taking a rule of thumb and turning it into a rule. Yeah, it's a good idea to call the T and move away, but I'm not going to the concession stand just so I can't hear the coach. And the first T is not a license to get stupid. Sometimes, the coaches just don't give you the option of doing everything the way it's recommended.

DLH17 Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:37am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 664031)
You're taking a rule of thumb and turning it into a rule. Yeah, it's a good idea to call the T and move away, but I'm not going to the concession stand just so I can't hear the coach. And the first T is not a license to get stupid. Sometimes, the coaches just don't give you the option of doing everything the way it's recommended.

I wouldn't move away so I can't hear him either. It's a good idea to move away in an effort to alleviate the situation if at all possible, though. However, it's not foolproof. If ridiculous behavior continues on the part of the coach, the officiating crew can handle it accordingly. There are six eyes and ears on the court...subjectivity and backup by your partners makes any actions against the coach even more locktight and legit.

edit: Good point about "rule of thumb". I agree.

Rich Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:39am

I saw the sequence. The official actually walked to the table before calling the first technical foul -- in other words, Huggins had already earned it, but the official was getting out of there before whistling and signaling it.

After that Huggins went crazy and had to be restrained and screaming over his assistants. If I was that calling official and a coach did that, I would simply call the second one and get it over with. Why bother with a charade of making someone else come in and deal with it -- he's yelling at me, I'm going to make the call if it needs to be made.

Go Google "Huggins ejection" if you want to see this story at least once every season....it's nothing new and isn't really even a big story.

chartrusepengui Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:40am

and now it's time for Huggin's to attend his annual anger management seminar :D

Adam Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:42am

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 664038)
and now it's time for Huggin's to attend his annual anger management seminar :D

If only he'd attend his retirement planning seminar....

Jurassic Referee Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 664031)
You're taking a rule of thumb and turning it into a rule. Yeah, it's a good idea to call the T and move away, but I'm not going to the concession stand just so I can't hear the coach. And the first T is not a license to get stupid. Sometimes, the coaches just don't give you the option of doing everything the way it's recommended.

You are wise beyond your years. There's nothing the matter with giving a coach the last word when you're walking away, but that doesn't mean that those "last words" are a completely free shot. There's a big difference between complaining and abuse.

What I'm not going to do is second-guess a very competent official, especially when I have no idea what was actually said. And especially when it involves a serial ref-baiter like Huggins.

These D1 guys get direction from the Big East office. They know what they have to eat and what they don't have to take. The sureasheck aren't going to toss any coach unless they can justify the heck out of it in their post-game report.

johnSandlin Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:36pm

I thought both of them were justified.

And the thoughts that Huggins was set-up or baited, I do not agree with.


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