Bobby Huggins Ejection

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Why bother with a charade of making someone else come in and deal with it -- he's yelling at me, I'm going to make the call if it needs to be made.

I think this is a great opinion. Sometimes a coach is coming after one official. It the coach says something that earns him or her a T x2, why not have the official give them both?

DLH17, may I ask how many Ts you give in a normal season? Your opinion about the situation would lead me to believe a coach can get away with quite a bit.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I think this is a great opinion. Sometimes a coach is coming after one official. It the coach says something that earns him or her a T x2, why not have the official give them both?

DLH17, may I ask how many Ts you give in a normal season? Your opinion about the situation would lead me to believe a coach can get away with quite a bit.

It's interesting you ask. I've probably issued a dozen or so techs over the past 5 years, so maybe two or three per. I've given two Ts this season that I can recall - one to a player and one to a coach. Different teams. Different games.

More to the essence of this thread, two years ago I whacked a 6th grade competitive league coach with two Ts back to back and sent him packing.

I have no problem utilizing that Tech Tool. But, in conversations with upper level peers and evaluators, the general message is "whack 'em and walk away (using professional, but stern body language).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

It's interesting you ask. I've probably issued a dozen or so techs over the past 5 years, so maybe two or three per. I've given two Ts this season that I can recall - one to a player and one to a coach. Different teams. Different games.

More to the essence of this thread, two years ago I whacked a 6th grade competitive league coach with two Ts back to back and sent him packing.

I have no problem utilizing that Tech Tool. But, in conversations with upper level peers and evaluators, the general message is "whack 'em and walk away (using professional, but stern body language).

Yep, and the general message is also if you have players on the floor you need to call a foul; but we all know players get on the floor all the time without a foul. Again, rules of thumb work great as long as the coaches play nice.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep, and the general message is also if you have players on the floor you need to call a foul; but we all know players get on the floor all the time without a foul. Again, rules of thumb work great as long as the coaches play nice.

That's a new one on me. It's not a general rule of thumb I've ever discussed. Players can end up on the floor for many reasons unrelated to a foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

That's a new one on me. It's not a general rule of thumb I've ever discussed. Players can end up on the floor for many reasons unrelated to a foul.

It's particularly discussed with crashes. I've even had a partner in a JV game tell me that his evaluators told him he should have had a call on a particular play. He stuck around for the 1st half of the varsity game and watched them no-call the exact play.

At half time:
"So, what happened in that first play of the game?"

"The same damn thing that happened in your game."

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's particularly discussed with crashes. I've even had a partner in a JV game tell me that his evaluators told him he should have had a call on a particular play. He stuck around for the 1st half of the varsity game and watched them no-call the exact play.

At half time:
"So, what happened in that first play of the game?"

"The same damn thing that happened in your game."

That's a head-shaker....and really sucks for your partner that is making an obvious effort to improve.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

That's a head-shaker....and really sucks for your partner that is making an obvious effort to improve.

Actually, the next words out of the varsity official's mouth, "I can see why you no-called it."

[jearef]

Surprised that in all of the back and forth, no one has pointed out that behavior in the coaching box is a point of emphasis this year.

The best point I have read thus far is "we have no idea what Huggins said". One thing is certain: whatever he said, it was way over the line. Div 1 officials won't launch a coach in the last minute of a game he has obviously lost unless he really went too far.

That T wasn't for this game. That T was his way of trying to get into the heads of a crew he might see again in the tournament. For all intents and purposes, the game was already over when he got whacked.

Do we LIKE it when the official who gives the first T ends up giving the second? No. Is it a hard and fast rule that the same official can't give both? Of course not. You whack a coach. After you whack him, he launches into a tirade that begins with "you f'ing cheating mf'er". Of course you're going to get him again.

Hugs got what he deserved. And I'm a Mountaineer, by the way.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by jearef

Do we LIKE it when the official who gives the first T ends up giving the second? No. Is it a hard and fast rule that the same official can't give both? Of course not. You whack a coach. After you whack him, he launches into a tirade that begins with "you f'ing cheating mf'er". Of course you're going to get him again.

Were you at my game this weekend?

I rang up a coach for crossing the line and as I was reporting he just kept right at it and made it worse. I ended up ringing him up again and tossing him. He left me no choice as far as I was concerned.

Do I wish my partner would have stepped in? Sure. But he was inexperienced and it wasn't going to happen. Shrug.

[Rufus]

Interestingly Jay Bilas was saying that the calling official was baiting Huggins by going to him during a timeout. If the official hadn't gone to talk with Huggins I'm sure Bilas would have gotten on him for not communicating enough.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Interestingly Jay Bilas was saying that the calling official was baiting Huggins by going to him during a timeout. If the official hadn't gone to talk with Huggins I'm sure Bilas would have gotten on him for not communicating enough.

Well come on now, a coach can't be responsible for his own actions. It is the official that has to have messed up.

[Drizzle]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Interestingly Jay Bilas was saying that the calling official was baiting Huggins by going to him during a timeout. If the official hadn't gone to talk with Huggins I'm sure Bilas would have gotten on him for not communicating enough.

Sean McDonough (the ESPN PBP guy) sort of called Bilas out for his constant blasting of the officiating... it's becoming a tired act from him (not that this is anything new from a TV analyst). I mean, you know it's bad when Bobby Knight is offering a more restrained commentary on officials than you are!

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by DLH17

It's interesting you ask. I've probably issued a dozen or so techs over the past 5 years, so maybe two or three per. I've given two Ts this season that I can recall - one to a player and one to a coach. Different teams. Different games.

More to the essence of this thread, two years ago I whacked a 6th grade competitive league coach with two Ts back to back and sent him packing.

I have no problem utilizing that Tech Tool. But, in conversations with upper level peers and evaluators, the general message is "whack 'em and walk away (using professional, but stern body language).

You either work in the most courteous place in the world or you aren't handling your business. Now, this is just my opinion, but in the various places I've officiated coaches and players earn more than three Ts per year.

I have also heard a final four official say, "I can help someone stop calling Ts, but I can't get them to start." He went on to say something along the lines of officials have to have the courage to call a technical when it is warranted. BNR has worked for this official/assigner too.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by tomegun

You either work in the most courteous place in the world or you aren't handling your business. Now, this is just my opinion, but in the various places I've officiated coaches and players earn more than three Ts per year.

I have also heard a final four official say, "I can help someone stop calling Ts, but I can't get them to start." He went on to say something along the lines of officials have to have the courage to call a technical when it is warranted. BNR has worked for this official/assigner too.

This gives me an excuse to brag a little - I do have the luxury of working in an area whose officials are scheduled by longtime assignors that have had decades of experience both as officials and assignors. My primary assignor is heavy heavy heavy on pre-season, in-season and off-season communication with his officials about how to conduct themselves professionally on (and off) the court. I'm not sure if this is or isn't the case in other metro areas across the nation, but where I am located, it's all engrained in us from the moment we start our careers.

As a result, we as officials definitely know how and when to administer a technical foul. On the flip side, we also have area league organizers and coaches that know exactly what is expected of them and their players during the season because of the relationship with the assignors and his officials. League administrators often attend annual assignor's meetings to review any number of issues.

In saying all of that, it would be fair to say that I do work in a "courteous" area. I'll also say that when there has been poor behavior, it has been a little nasty. We def don't live in some type of utopian basketball world.

For me, part of the fun managing a game is to see how calmly and evenly tempered I can be in the heat of any moment....keeping the heart rate as low as possible. Making good decisions. Sometimes I suck. Most times, I succeed.

[Adam]

I could echo DLH's post, for the most part. The metro area I work in, I've been pleasantly surprised at the good behavior of the coaches at the high school level. Below that, my experience is limited to two games with three teams. 2 good, 1 not so much.