Bobby Huggins Ejection

[johnSandlin]

I thought both of them were justified.

And the thoughts that Huggins was set-up or baited, I do not agree with.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnSandlin

I thought both of them were justified.

And the thoughts that Huggins was set-up or baited, I do not agree with.

And if he was so what. The coach needs to know what not to do. Do you think coaches do not say things to us to see if we will pull the trigger? Of course they do. And if we pull the trigger they cry foul.

I heard a story the other day where a coach got T'd and then claimed to the assignor that he agreed with his T, but thought it was a little early. Coaches love to justify their behavior and blame those that take action when they cross the line knowingly.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I heard a story the other day where a coach got T'd and then claimed to the assignor that he agreed with his T, but thought it was a little early.

That would be hard not to laugh at.

"So you're saying you know you crossed the line but you expected the official to let you go a little further?"

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

In a perfect world, the second TF would be given by one of your partners, BUT there are times when the coach just does not cooperate.

I have had two head coach ejections where the TF's were rapid fire. The first was a HC in a women's college team and the second was the HC in a boys' H.S. varsity game. In both cases I had called a foul on one of their players and before I could report the foul, the HC came on the floor to complain, they both blew threw stop signs to get the first TF and kept coming while I was backing up after the first TF.

The women's college game was back in the days when we still used two-man crews and I was officiating with an official who was officiating his very first college game; he had only been officiating for six years and really had no business on a college game yet with regard to game management skills because he just froze when the coach came onto the court.

The boys' H.S. varsity game was a three-man crew and to be honest my partners dropped the ball, because the HC blew past my partner to get at me.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by big jake

Who were the refs and who gave him the thumb????

Why does it matter? I'm sure the WVU fan website keeps track of that stuff.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why does it matter? I'm sure the WVU fan website keeps track of that stuff.

May have been an alumus of UConn.

Originally Posted by DLH17

No, I'm not approaching the original post from that angle. I'm more interested in how we, as officials under NFHS rules, should handle a situation with a coach that has been given a T.

To that end, I'm not interested in the other side of the conversation that revolves around the emotion/words allegedly used by Huggins.

In NFHS, a coach earning a 'T' does not give him license to continue his unsporting behavior. Ideally we would like to get away from the coach ASAP, but that is not always possible. And even if we do attempt to 'get away' from the coach, they still may say something magical that earns them that 2nd 'T'.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In NFHS, a coach earning a 'T' does not give him license to continue his unsporting behavior. Ideally we would like to get away from the coach ASAP, but that is not always possible. And even if we do attempt to 'get away' from the coach, they still may say something magical that earns them that 2nd 'T'.

I agree.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They still may say something magical that earns them that 2nd 'T'.

Like Abracadabra, Alakazam, Hocus pocus, Presto chango, Sim Sala Bim, or Shazam?

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Like Abracadabra, Alakazam, Hocus pocus, Presto chango, Sim Sala Bim, or Shazam?

"Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?"
"Wow, I could have had a V8!" (Sounds like T!)

[grunewar]

Some interesting comments from the coaches on why what happened, happened.....

(Warning - not for the faint of heart or for those with queasy stomachs)

West Virginia Mountaineers vs. Connecticut Huskies - Recap - February 22, 2010 - ESPN

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by big jake

Who were the refs and who gave him the thumb????

The crew for the game was:

John Cahill
Mike Stuart
Michael Stephens

I do not know who whistled the T's.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

The crew for the game was:

John Cahill
Mike Stuart
Michael Stephens

I do not know who whistled the T's.

The information is out there, but I still ask why it matters. My assumptions:
1. If the guy who called the Ts is a long time official, I'll defer to his judgment and assume he had a good reason for being in the huddle. And Huggins should have known better.

2. If the guy who called the Ts is newer to the league, and a younger official, I'll defer to his judgment and assume Huggins was testing him. He passed.

Whether he needed to be in the huddle or not is not for me to judge, because I don't have all the information I would need to make that assessment.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The information is out there, but I still ask why it matters. My assumptions:
1. If the guy who called the Ts is a long time official, I'll defer to his judgment and assume he had a good reason for being in the huddle. And Huggins should have known better.

2. If the guy who called the Ts is newer to the league, and a younger official, I'll defer to his judgment and assume Huggins was testing him. He passed.

Whether he needed to be in the huddle or not is not for me to judge, because I don't have all the information I would need to make that assessment.

John Adams doesn't like the official in the huddle (see the Andy Katz thread), but again I wonder why that really matters since Adams doesn't hire these guys to work in the Big East. Somebody should ask the commissioner of the Big East and he can say what's expected.

[JRutledge]

Unless we have talked to the officials, unless we know what was said or what was not said, I really think the reasons for the T are all speculation. We have no idea what the conversation was directly about or if it was about some other play that did not take place. It might have even been about a previous game. This is why I hate these so-called absolutes officials like to claim that are valid. He was probably in the huddle because the coach was trying to engage him. And if he was across the court coach Huggins still would have been yelling. Until we know for sure what was said I really think it is silly for those to claim this is how it should have happened. Because I can think of a few things if they were said to me I do not care that I am the one that gives both Ts. Giving Ts and the reason for them are personal. The rules do not say what is or what is not specifically a T in many situations. And when I hear people all the time claim that certain actions are flagrant on the spot, how the heck do any of us know what was said. Huggins has a history of flying off the handle and even was ejected in an NCAA Tournament game a few years back while at Cincinnati. All I have to do is look at the person involved and that tells me all I need to know.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The information is out there, but I still ask why it matters. My assumptions:
1. If the guy who called the Ts is a long time official, I'll defer to his judgment and assume he had a good reason for being in the huddle. And Huggins should have known better.

2. If the guy who called the Ts is newer to the league, and a younger official, I'll defer to his judgment and assume Huggins was testing him. He passed.

Whether he needed to be in the huddle or not is not for me to judge, because I don't have all the information I would need to make that assessment.

Mike Stuart called both "T"s. He's in his 14th. year of doing D1 ball and is on both the SEC and Big East staffs. He's worked in 10 straight NCAA tournaments before this year, and last year he did 4 rounds.

I'll also assume he's got a pretty good idea of what he's doing.