Bobby Huggins Ejection

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Why bother with a charade of making someone else come in and deal with it -- he's yelling at me, I'm going to make the call if it needs to be made.

I think this is a great opinion. Sometimes a coach is coming after one official. It the coach says something that earns him or her a T x2, why not have the official give them both?

DLH17, may I ask how many Ts you give in a normal season? Your opinion about the situation would lead me to believe a coach can get away with quite a bit.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnSandlin

I thought both of them were justified.

And the thoughts that Huggins was set-up or baited, I do not agree with.

And if he was so what. The coach needs to know what not to do. Do you think coaches do not say things to us to see if we will pull the trigger? Of course they do. And if we pull the trigger they cry foul.

I heard a story the other day where a coach got T'd and then claimed to the assignor that he agreed with his T, but thought it was a little early. Coaches love to justify their behavior and blame those that take action when they cross the line knowingly.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I heard a story the other day where a coach got T'd and then claimed to the assignor that he agreed with his T, but thought it was a little early.

That would be hard not to laugh at.

"So you're saying you know you crossed the line but you expected the official to let you go a little further?"

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I think this is a great opinion. Sometimes a coach is coming after one official. It the coach says something that earns him or her a T x2, why not have the official give them both?

DLH17, may I ask how many Ts you give in a normal season? Your opinion about the situation would lead me to believe a coach can get away with quite a bit.

It's interesting you ask. I've probably issued a dozen or so techs over the past 5 years, so maybe two or three per. I've given two Ts this season that I can recall - one to a player and one to a coach. Different teams. Different games.

More to the essence of this thread, two years ago I whacked a 6th grade competitive league coach with two Ts back to back and sent him packing.

I have no problem utilizing that Tech Tool. But, in conversations with upper level peers and evaluators, the general message is "whack 'em and walk away (using professional, but stern body language).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by big jake

Who were the refs and who gave him the thumb????

Why does it matter? I'm sure the WVU fan website keeps track of that stuff.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why does it matter? I'm sure the WVU fan website keeps track of that stuff.

May have been an alumus of UConn.

Originally Posted by DLH17

No, I'm not approaching the original post from that angle. I'm more interested in how we, as officials under NFHS rules, should handle a situation with a coach that has been given a T.

To that end, I'm not interested in the other side of the conversation that revolves around the emotion/words allegedly used by Huggins.

In NFHS, a coach earning a 'T' does not give him license to continue his unsporting behavior. Ideally we would like to get away from the coach ASAP, but that is not always possible. And even if we do attempt to 'get away' from the coach, they still may say something magical that earns them that 2nd 'T'.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

It's interesting you ask. I've probably issued a dozen or so techs over the past 5 years, so maybe two or three per. I've given two Ts this season that I can recall - one to a player and one to a coach. Different teams. Different games.

More to the essence of this thread, two years ago I whacked a 6th grade competitive league coach with two Ts back to back and sent him packing.

I have no problem utilizing that Tech Tool. But, in conversations with upper level peers and evaluators, the general message is "whack 'em and walk away (using professional, but stern body language).

Yep, and the general message is also if you have players on the floor you need to call a foul; but we all know players get on the floor all the time without a foul. Again, rules of thumb work great as long as the coaches play nice.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In NFHS, a coach earning a 'T' does not give him license to continue his unsporting behavior. Ideally we would like to get away from the coach ASAP, but that is not always possible. And even if we do attempt to 'get away' from the coach, they still may say something magical that earns them that 2nd 'T'.

I agree.

[Rufus]

Interestingly Jay Bilas was saying that the calling official was baiting Huggins by going to him during a timeout. If the official hadn't gone to talk with Huggins I'm sure Bilas would have gotten on him for not communicating enough.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Interestingly Jay Bilas was saying that the calling official was baiting Huggins by going to him during a timeout. If the official hadn't gone to talk with Huggins I'm sure Bilas would have gotten on him for not communicating enough.

Well come on now, a coach can't be responsible for his own actions. It is the official that has to have messed up.

[grunewar]

Some interesting comments from the coaches on why what happened, happened.....

(Warning - not for the faint of heart or for those with queasy stomachs)

West Virginia Mountaineers vs. Connecticut Huskies - Recap - February 22, 2010 - ESPN

[Drizzle]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Interestingly Jay Bilas was saying that the calling official was baiting Huggins by going to him during a timeout. If the official hadn't gone to talk with Huggins I'm sure Bilas would have gotten on him for not communicating enough.

Sean McDonough (the ESPN PBP guy) sort of called Bilas out for his constant blasting of the officiating... it's becoming a tired act from him (not that this is anything new from a TV analyst). I mean, you know it's bad when Bobby Knight is offering a more restrained commentary on officials than you are!

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep, and the general message is also if you have players on the floor you need to call a foul; but we all know players get on the floor all the time without a foul. Again, rules of thumb work great as long as the coaches play nice.

That's a new one on me. It's not a general rule of thumb I've ever discussed. Players can end up on the floor for many reasons unrelated to a foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

That's a new one on me. It's not a general rule of thumb I've ever discussed. Players can end up on the floor for many reasons unrelated to a foul.

It's particularly discussed with crashes. I've even had a partner in a JV game tell me that his evaluators told him he should have had a call on a particular play. He stuck around for the 1st half of the varsity game and watched them no-call the exact play.

At half time:
"So, what happened in that first play of the game?"

"The same damn thing that happened in your game."

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's particularly discussed with crashes. I've even had a partner in a JV game tell me that his evaluators told him he should have had a call on a particular play. He stuck around for the 1st half of the varsity game and watched them no-call the exact play.

At half time:
"So, what happened in that first play of the game?"

"The same damn thing that happened in your game."

That's a head-shaker....and really sucks for your partner that is making an obvious effort to improve.