how to deal with new, but arrogant, official?

[Adam]

Let it go. I won't ask someone if they want some "constructive criticism." If they don't ask you for some advice, don't offer it.

Once you offered and he agreed, you maybe could have simply asked him what he saw on that play.

Once he starts defending himself, however, drop it and move on.

[Mark Padgett]

Put him on a plane and send him to me. I'll work just one game with him. By the time he goes back home, you won't have a problem with him anymore.

[representing]

Originally Posted by TravelinMan

fromm what you have told us, I would say this person is beyond hope and you are just wasting your breath talking with him. I would suggest you request not to work with this official.

I agree he's beyond hope. I will be doing just that next year.

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Put him on a plane and send him to me. I'll work just one game with him. By the time he goes back home, you won't have a problem with him anymore.

You pay the plane tickets or me? 50/50 maybe? I send him, you return him?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by representing

You pay the plane tickets or me? 50/50 maybe? I send him, you return him?

Sure. Just send me your debit card number and PIN.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Sure. Just send me your debit card number and PIN.

Ok, what's your email address?

DISCLAIMER: I'm not responsible for any porn spam emails you get in the near future if you send me your email address.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let it go. I won't ask someone if they want some "constructive criticism." If they don't ask you for some advice, don't offer it.

Once you offered and he agreed, you maybe could have simply asked him what he saw on that play.

Once he starts defending himself, however, drop it and move on.

I wanted to somehow say "hey, don't look in my area" without being rude about it, which is why I asked for constructive criticisms. I do this with a lot of new officials and tell them "take it or leave it".

When he started defending himself, I did try to drop it but he just kept going on his semi-rampage and I've tried to change the topic many times but he just wouldn't shut up. He was starting to piss me off as I obviously had.

Thanks Snaqs

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

I wanted to somehow say "hey, don't look in my area" without being rude about it, which is why I asked for constructive criticisms. I do this with a lot of new officials and tell them "take it or leave it".

When he started defending himself, I did try to drop it but he just kept going on his semi-rampage and I've tried to change the topic many times but he just wouldn't shut up. He was starting to piss me off as I obviously had.

Thanks Snaqs

The best approach is, as Rut also suggests, to simply ask him what he saw on that play. After he tells you, you can explain why you passed on it (no control, dribbling, etc.).

With a first year BB official, I'd be very hesitant to tell him anything about PCAs in this context. Sometimes it's hard enough to get them to blow the whistle at all, and if you get them thinking too much it's all over.

You're better off trying to find a positive reason to get them to look off ball rather than a reason not to watch the ball. He took your advice as "hey, stay out of my area!"

That goes triple for a "biddy" game. You're better off actually discussing the traveling play than worrying about long distance rates.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're better off trying to find a positive reason to get them to look off ball rather than a reason not to watch the ball. He took your advice as "hey, stay out of my area!"

That goes triple for a "biddy" game. You're better off actually discussing the traveling play than worrying about long distance rates.

I agree. And to me that sounds more arrogant than a younger official that does not know any better. If you are going to go down that road, you should discuss the play and not focus so much on the PCA as that is a concept that takes some time to learn for many officials. But if you say that you had a different look and you saw the play differently, any smart official might realize they have more to learn and might be more receptive to some level of criticism.

Peace

[representing]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That goes triple for a "biddy" game. You're better off actually discussing the traveling play than worrying about long distance rates.

I wasn't talking telephone with him!

Nah, seriously though, I do appreciate the tips you and Rut have given to me. It was my first time dealing with a new official who acted this way. I'll keep that in mind for the next new official I end up working with next year. Thanks again!

[cmhjordan23]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Not saying it was a travel, but in Rule 2.4.1 in officials maunual it says typically an official should call violations in his/her PCA, but any violation observed should be called. The newbie probably was wrong but violation doesn't necessarily have to be in PCA.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23

Correct me if I'm wrong. Not saying it was a travel, but in Rule 2.4.1 in officials maunual it says typically an official should call violations in his/her PCA, but any violation observed should be called. The newbie probably was wrong but violation doesn't necessarily have to be in PCA.

You are not wrong about what the rule book says...your mistake would be the same mistake made by the newer official in the OP - looking at the ball handler when he is not in your PCA. There's no reason to do that, and it simply leads to more problems than it fixes.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23

..... violation doesn't necessarily have to be in PCA.

Nothing has to be only in your PCA, but if you make a traveling call across the floor six feet in front of your partner it makes the crew look bad, even if the call is correct. If you make this call and you are wrong, it is totally unacceptable.

Solution: Trust your partner(s) and concentrate on your own area.

If you see an elephant in your partners area, make the call. If you see an insect, leave it alone.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you see an elephant in your partners area, make the call.

What if the elephant had LGP?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Trust your partner and concentrate on your own area. If you see an elephant in your partners area, make the call. If you see an insect, leave it alone.

"If you see an elephant in your partners area, make the call. If you see an insect, leave it alone." © 2010 just another ref

[Adam]

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23

Correct me if I'm wrong. Not saying it was a travel, but in Rule 2.4.1 in officials maunual it says typically an official should call violations in his/her PCA, but any violation observed should be called. The newbie probably was wrong but violation doesn't necessarily have to be in PCA.

I've been completely wrong on obvious calls right in front of my partners.