Moving Picks with Video question??

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Lostdog

....... they come running to set the pick it is moving and they come from behind and wrap their arms around our girls, move with us, or hook us.

I was just begging for fair calls.

Does the video work for everybody except me?

I actually direct/officiate a league where some of the players are this young.
Much of it is basketball that only a parent could love. There are limits to what can be taught at this age, but for the "screeners" not to tackle the defenders is not too much to ask. But you are unlikely to get any satisfaction in this regard by screaming at teenagers wearing whistles.
If you are that interested, go to the league director and inquire about what it would take to hire registered officials. Likely the issue is at least partly financial and would require an increase in the entry fees for the players. Ask some of the other parents if they share your concerns and would be willing to ante up. Then proceed accordingly.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Does the video work for everybody except me?

I actually direct/officiate a league where some of the players are this young.
Much of it is basketball that only a parent could love. There are limits to what can be taught at this age, but for the "screeners" not to tackle the defenders is not too much to ask. But you are unlikely to get any satisfaction in this regard by screaming at teenagers wearing whistles.
If you are that interested, go to the league director and inquire about what it would take to hire registered officials. Likely the issue is at least partly financial and would require an increase in the entry fees for the players. Ask some of the other parents if they share your concerns and would be willing to ante up. Then proceed accordingly.

Yeah you did not see much of the video. I did not see anyone tackle each other. It was mostly bad form and laughable to call much of a foul on at least two of the videos.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yeah you did not see much of the video. I did not see anyone tackle each other. It was mostly bad form and laughable to call much of a foul on at least two of the videos.

Peace

Reading is fundamental. I did not see any of the video. The link apparently is now dead.

[bas2456]

Why doesn't someone just post the rule so this parent can read the rule for himself, then ask for our clarification.

Instead of laughing at this parent, and the quality of basketball in the video, let's remember that we were all that young once, and some of us have officiated these leagues before. Get off your high horses and help educate one fan.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Why doesn't someone just post the rule so this parent can read the rule for himself, then ask for our clarification.

Instead of laughing at this parent, and the quality of basketball in the video, let's remember that we were all that young once, and some of us have officiated these leagues before. Get off your high horses and help educate one fan.

You have not been here very long either. Wait until mid March through the NCAA Tournaments, you will see what we are talking about. This place will be crawling with fans that saw their high school teams lose and saw something on the NCAA Tournaments that they did not understand. And if you quoted a rule to them, where are they going to read this for themselves? I am on another site that is mostly fans and I just had a fellow official try to argue with officials a rule that was quoted out of the rulebook. This is not being on a high horse; this is realizing that no matter what you say these folks will always think they know better. And if you do not want an opinion DO NOT ASK FOR ONE!!!!

Peace

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You have not been here very long either. Wait until mid March through the NCAA Tournaments, you will see what we are talking about. This place will be crawling with fans that saw their high school teams lose and saw something on the NCAA Tournaments that they did not understand. And if you quoted a rule to them, where are they going to read this for themselves? I am on another site that is mostly fans and I just had a fellow official try to argue with officials a rule that was quoted out of the rulebook. This is not being on a high horse; this is realizing that no matter what you say these folks will always think they know better. And if you do not want an opinion DO NOT ASK FOR ONE!!!!

Peace

Whether I've been here for one year or ten (or 90 in Padgett's case), I completely understand where you're coming from.

However, if someone puts the rule out there, I would think that if someone is sensible enough, they could read the rule, try and understand it, and move on. Lots of times on here we get visitors who really do want to understand the rule, and then they leave because they got what they came here for.

I realize not everyone is as sensible as these people are, but the least we could do is put the onus on them to read the rule.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Whether I've been here for one year or ten (or 90 in Padgett's case), I completely understand where you're coming from.

However, if someone puts the rule out there, I would think that if someone is sensible enough, they could read the rule, try and understand it, and move on. Lots of times on here we get visitors who really do want to understand the rule, and then they leave because they got what they came here for.

I realize not everyone is as sensible as these people are, but the least we could do is put the onus on them to read the rule.

You would be surprised what ignorant people will debate until you have been in those situations. People quote rules all the time and give them all kinds of information and there are many that have never officiated a thing in their life will still consider what they heard on TV or what they "think" the rule is. Case in point what happened in a game last night after my game. There was a play where the shooter shot the ball off the backboard, the ball was below the rim, then the defender blocked the ball after the ball touched the backboard and fans where I was sitting went nuts. As a matter of fact, I even explained to the one guy that that was not GT, but he was convinced otherwise. Even heard the same thing when they were calling for fouls and their team was fouled more. You would have though the officials were totally clueless, but the fans knew better. You can quote rules all day; it is not going to mean a lot. Just search this forum and see some 1 post fan that comes up with a question and see how much they argue with logic and rules being quoted to them. It happens all the time and it will be coming soon as we are in that time of year and the crazies will come out of the woodwork. Then tell me how much logic and reasoning they will accept when you quote the rules word for word and they tell you that the officials were against them and how a certain official has hated them for years.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Whether I've been here for one year or ten (or 90 in Padgett's case), I completely understand where you're coming from.

However, if someone puts the rule out there, I would think that if someone is sensible enough, they could read the rule, try and understand it, and move on. Lots of times on here we get visitors who really do want to understand the rule, and then they leave because they got what they came here for.

I realize not everyone is as sensible as these people are, but the least we could do is put the onus on them to read the rule.

The rule was explained, early. "no foul without contact."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Reading is fundamental. I did not see any of the video. The link apparently is now dead.

It was available the first time you claimed you could not see it. I even saw the video after you claimed you could not see it again. It was just removed. Then again, no one ever accused you of being on top of things.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It was available the first time you claimed you could not see it. I even saw the video after you claimed you could not see it again. It was just removed. Then again, no one ever accused you of being on top of things.

Peace

I clicked the link, and got 404 not found.........not that unusual. And then you pop off about something you know nothing about, also not unusual.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I clicked the link, and got 404 not found.........not that unusual. And then you pop off about something you know nothing about, also not unusual.

Yeah now you do. But I was able to click on this when you first claimed you could not see the video. Just saying.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yeah now you do. But I was able to click on this when you first claimed you could not see the video. Just saying.

Peace

Just saying what, exactly? You say so much, so often, without actually saying anything, it's hard to keep it all straight.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you are that interested, go to the league director and inquire about what it would take to hire registered officials.

Better yet, volunteer to call the games yourself. Come back to this board for training/study material and let us help you become a capable official.
Win-Win. Your league gets a mature adult to call games, you get some exercise and a greatly improved perspective on youth sports.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Better yet, volunteer to call the games yourself. Come back to this board for training/study material and let us help you become a capable official.
Win-Win. Your league gets a mature adult to call games, you get some exercise and a greatly improved perspective on youth sports.

I don't think this is the answer. This mature adult may have less basketball experience than the kids doing the job now. As near as I can tell from some of the comments by viewers of the video, the account in the OP may not be a perfect view of the facts.