New one for me...

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Oh?

SITUATION 12: Following a (a) charged time-out; or (b) a lengthy substitution process involving multiple substitutions for both teams, A5 goes to the bench and remains there mistakenly believing he/she has been replaced by a substitute. The ball is put in play even though Team A has only four players on the court. Team A is bringing the ball into A's frontcourt when the coach of Team A realizes they have only four players. The coach yells for A5 to return, and he/she sprints onto the court and catches up with play. RULING: In (a), the officials shall stop play and assess a team technical foul for not having all players return to the court at approximately the same time after a time-out. The technical foul counts toward the team-foul count. In (b), the officials may permit play to continue without penalty. A5's return to the court was not deceitful, nor did it provide A5 an unfair positioning advantage on the court. COMMENT: Even though neither situation provided A5 or Team A with an advantage, teams are expected to return to the court at approximately the same time following a time-out. The officials should have also followed the prescribed mechanics and counted the number of players on the court, ensuring each team has the legal number of players. (10-1-9; 10-3-3)

This is how the interp red in the 08 rules by topic but it changed in 09. Did they change it back?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

This is how the interp red in the 08 rules by topic but it changed in 09. Did they change it back?

No idea. What was the change?

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by just another ref

No idea. What was the change?

It is no longer a T.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

It is no longer a T.

What is no longer a T?

Where is this written?

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What is no longer a T?

Where is this written?

Your sit 12. No longer a T in the 08 and 09 rules by topic. Is your sit out of the new case book?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

Your sit 12. No longer a T in the 08 and 09 rules by topic. Is your sit out of the new case book?

Situation is from the 07-08 interps. This interpretation, in my opinion, is consistent with the wording of the rule, even though I don't care much for the rule. In the current case play 10.1.9, the team does gain an apparent advantage, but this condition is not specified anywhere else.

What, specifically, does your book say about this?

And why is there yet another NFHS rules publication in the first place?

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Situation is from the 07-08 interps. This interpretation, in my opinion, is consistent with the wording of the rule, even though I don't care much for the rule. In the current case play 10.1.9, the team does gain an apparent advantage, but this condition is not specified anywhere else.

What, specifically, does your book say about this?

And why is there yet another NFHS rules publication in the first place?

I appreciate your thoughts on the need for yet another rule book. Rules by topic is just that. It makes it easier to find certain rules because they put them together by a topic. they also provide some case plays along with them. As noted before people don't put alot of stock in this publication for whatever reason. I have found a few errors myself. So I am just trying to get to the bottom of this. It reads just as you posted but they no longer get a T if it is truly a mistake and no advantage is gained. Not arguing just tring to get it right.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

It is no longer a T.

Rules by topic isn't authoritative, I don't think.

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Rules by topic isn't authoritative, I don't think.

I appreciate that. So is this how it reads in the new case book? I just looked this sit in the rules by topic and it is no longer a T if the player is not doing it on purpose or gaining an advantage. Don't have my case book.