New one for me...

[gslefeb]

BillyMac

I agree - Sub or player? Sit 12 B - seems to indicate the 5th is a player and therefore can come onto the court.

[jkohls]

Thanks for the replies.

And sorry to offend, deecee. I didn't intend to convey a "retarded *** attitude." I read the board often and respect the views of the experienced officials who post. Therefore, I asked how they might have handled the situation.

[Paul LeBoutillier]

Originally Posted by jkohls

And sorry to offend, deecee. I didn't intend to convey a "retarded *** attitude."

Dude, you did NOT convey a retarded attitude. Some people are just a bit too reactive. It's cool.

[GoodwillRef]

Why are you apologizing to Deecee...he should be apologizing to you!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by goodwillref

why are you apologizing to deecee...he should be apologizing to you!!

+1

[deecee]

I agree, I was out of line I just read your statement as overly sarcastic after a response was given.

My bad I need to get back on my prescribed dose of meds and not overdoing it

[BillyMac]

Saturday. Boys varsity. My partner is preparing to administer a throwin when the table sounds the horn for substitutes. I'm right near the table, in front of the Team A bench. I hold up my hand to prevent my partner from handing the ball to the player for the throwin and I beckon the substitutes. Several substitutes enter the game, and several come out. My hand is still up as I do a quick count. Good thing because I count six Team A players on the court, so I keep my hand up. I wait several seconds for the extra player to leave the court, but the players don't seem to know who should come out. My hand is still up. The Team A coach is right behind me, so I tell him, "Can't play with six". He looks around trying to decide who should come out. My hand is still up. Now the Team B coach figures out that there are six opponents on the court, and yells to me, "Isn't that technical foul?". I respond, "Only if my partner hands the throwin player the ball". My hand is still up. Finally, the Team A coach yanks one of his players, my hand comes down, finally, my partner administers the throwin, and we play ball.

What is the difference between preventative officiating and coaching? How long should I, or could I, have waited?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What is the difference between preventative officiating and coaching? How long should I, or could I, have waited?

Waiting in any case does not constitute coaching because you never addressed the players.

Wait until you're convinced that he's defying you.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by gslefeb

According to the OP, the player did return to the court for the start of the 2nd qtr;

1. Team V had five players to start qtr. Therefore Sit 12 A does not apply.

2. V11 leaves court - violation? (not called)

3. V11 then comes back on to the court; is this a T for not being beckoned? I think Sit 12 B applies - A5 is supposed to be on the court, and A5's return is not deceitful - therefore play on or IW.

Correct response.

Originally Posted by gslefeb

BillyMac

I agree - Sub or player? Sit 12 B - seems to indicate the 5th is a player and therefore can come onto the court.

Again, you are correct that he is still a player, not a sub.