Man, I have a lot to learn.....

[shavano]

Last BV game of the season, I'm working with two of our senior ( 20+ year) V officials, already a slight case of the nerves,

We get into the ref's room before the game and our R suddenly tells me that we're switching things up tonight, and I was going to give the pregame, conduct the meetings, and toss. Talk about getting caught unawares...

I stumbled through pregame as best as I could, ( I never know what to say to officials that have been doing this for years and years, and me in my sophomore season). Basically, we talked about the two teams, one that I had had a couple of games with earlier this year, one that I had not seen. I brought up having good eye contact at dead balls, and making sure we were all on the same page as far as FT lane coverage. Just glad they didn't laugh....

Meetings & toss, no problem... then

I'm L, & called a block midway through the first, basket counted ( nope, didn't look up, but looked at T and he indicated good), and added one shot. I go to report the foul, the T is right there asking who my shooter was. ( yeah, I should've had it, and vowed that I would if I got asked again.) Come to find out later on, I had called across the lane and my C had whistled as well. ( so much for my good eye contact at a dead ball) He went ahead and let me have the foul then, and was nice about it during half time meeting, but said that I had poached... Ay,yi yi..

Second quarter, pretty basic. No quizzes, I thnk they felt sorry for me..

Halftime, we talk about the double whistle, and my poach...

About 3:30 left in third, we're at a full TO. R comes to me and asked me the "status" of the game; score, time left, foul counts, anybody with foul problems... I got fouls and approx. time left, missed score by a few, and had no clue about players in foul trouble. Talk about red faced....

Fourth quarter, C calls a foul, and sure enough, my R is there asking me who the shooter was to be. This time I had it, and confidently reported.

Both guys were very gracious and congratulated me on a good game after wards, but I left there tonight feeling like a true blue rookie. I have a long ways to go...... but I hope to get there someday.

Oh well, one more GJV Thursday, a week and a half off, then on to girl's soccer.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by shavano

Meetings & toss, no problem... then

I'm L, & called a block midway through the first, basket counted ( nope, didn't look up, but looked at T and he indicated good), and added one shot. I go to report the foul, the T is right there asking who my shooter was. ( yeah, I should've had it, and vowed that I would if I got asked again.) Come to find out later on, I had called across the lane and my C had whistled as well. ( so much for my good eye contact at a dead ball) He went ahead and let me have the foul then, and was nice about it during half time meeting, but said that I had poached... Ay,yi yi..

Imperfect, certainly, but if this is your one mistake in the game, you're ok.

.......had no clue about players in foul trouble.

Some of us think that this is not information that we should make a point of having.

[Paul LeBoutillier]

What exactly is the benefit of an official knowing which players might be in foul trouble?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Paul LeBoutillier

What exactly is the benefit of an official knowing which players might be in foul trouble?

Some will say the awareness that a player will be disqualified on his next foul is valuable because they are immediately ready to proceed with the disqualification and the chance of this player improperly being allowed to stay in the game is greatly diminished.

To this I say

Others say when a player, particularly a "star" player has early foul trouble, we should be careful not to give him a "cheap one" or to make sure each foul is a "good one" or some other such nonsense.

I say this is not worthy of response.

[Kelvin green]

What I would tke away from this

1) you should ready to be a lead ref at every game. You either lead, follow or get out of the way.... f you want to excel you need to be able to lead.

Be prepare to be the lead ref all the time, You should know how to do a pregame. Pregames dont change much since guys have not worked with each other cover a lot of the same things.

2) Game management--- Game awareness are importatnt

[shavano]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

What I would tke away from this

1) you should ready to be a lead ref at every game. You either lead, follow or get out of the way.... f you want to excel you need to be able to lead.

Be prepare to be the lead ref all the time, You should know how to do a pregame. Pregames dont change much since guys have not worked with each other cover a lot of the same things.

2) Game management--- Game awareness are importatnt

Good points, both. Thank you!

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by shavano

Last BV game of the season, I'm working with two of our senior ( 20+ year) V officials, already a slight case of the nerves,

We get into the ref's room before the game and our R suddenly tells me that we're switching things up tonight, and I was going to give the pregame, conduct the meetings, and toss. Talk about getting caught unawares...

I stumbled through pregame as best as I could, ( I never know what to say to officials that have been doing this for years and years, and me in my sophomore season). Basically, we talked about the two teams, one that I had had a couple of games with earlier this year, one that I had not seen. I brought up having good eye contact at dead balls, and making sure we were all on the same page as far as FT lane coverage. Just glad they didn't laugh....

Meetings & toss, no problem... then

I'm L, & called a block midway through the first, basket counted ( nope, didn't look up, but looked at T and he indicated good), and added one shot. I go to report the foul, the T is right there asking who my shooter was. ( yeah, I should've had it, and vowed that I would if I got asked again.) Come to find out later on, I had called across the lane and my C had whistled as well. ( so much for my good eye contact at a dead ball) He went ahead and let me have the foul then, and was nice about it during half time meeting, but said that I had poached... Ay,yi yi..

Second quarter, pretty basic. No quizzes, I thnk they felt sorry for me..

Halftime, we talk about the double whistle, and my poach...

About 3:30 left in third, we're at a full TO. R comes to me and asked me the "status" of the game; score, time left, foul counts, anybody with foul problems... I got fouls and approx. time left, missed score by a few, and had no clue about players in foul trouble. Talk about red faced....

Fourth quarter, C calls a foul, and sure enough, my R is there asking me who the shooter was to be. This time I had it, and confidently reported.

Both guys were very gracious and congratulated me on a good game after wards, but I left there tonight feeling like a true blue rookie. I have a long ways to go...... but I hope to get there someday.

Oh well, one more GJV Thursday, a week and a half off, then on to girl's soccer.

Since you were the referee, why were you not asking all these questions?

[shavano]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Since you were the referee, why were you not asking all these questions?

As stated in the thread title, I still have a LOT to learn.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by shavano

Last BV game of the season, I'm working with two of our senior ( 20+ year) V officials, already a slight case of the nerves,

We get into the ref's room before the game and our R suddenly tells me that we're switching things up tonight, and I was going to give the pregame, conduct the meetings, and toss. Talk about getting caught unawares...

Your more experienced partners may have been doing you a huge favor in giving you this responsibility. They may have been sending a message to the coaches that you are worthy of running this game, assuming they have never seen you before. I had a very esteemed member of my last association do this as a regular practice with new partners. I appreciated it.

Originally Posted by shavano

About 3:30 left in third, we're at a full TO. R comes to me and asked me the "status" of the game; score, time left, foul counts, anybody with foul problems... I got fouls and approx. time left, missed score by a few, and had no clue about players in foul trouble. Talk about red faced....

Again they were doing you a big favor here. These are (mostly) things you should be aware of throughout the game for your game management skills.

Sounds like you had a great experience. Take these things and build on them for each game you work, varsity or not.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by shavano

About 3:30 left in third, we're at a full TO. R comes to me and asked me the "status" of the game; score, time left, foul counts, anybody with foul problems... I got fouls and approx. time left, missed score by a few, and had no clue about players in foul trouble. Talk about red faced....

With the possible exception of the team foul counts, how relevant is it to commit any of these to memory in the third quarter?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

With the possible exception of the team foul counts, how relevant is it to commit any of these to memory in the third quarter?

Good game management skills should be used throughout the game. It's not something you "turn on" with two minutes to go in the 4th quater.

JMO.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Good game management skills should be used throughout the game. It's not something you "turn on" with two minutes to go in the 4th quater.

JMO.

Sure they should.

But that still doesn't detail for me the importance of memorizing the aforementioned parts (score, time left, foul problems-yeesh) of the game in the third quarter.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Sure they should.

But that still doesn't detail for me the importance of memorizing the aforementioned parts (score, time left, foul problems-yeesh) of the game in the third quarter.

Why do schools buy those fancy scoreboards if I have to memorize the score...if I have to memorize the score, fouls, foul troubled youths, time left, time outs left, #34 favorite after game meal, I WANT A RAISE!!!

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Why do schools buy those fancy scoreboards if I have to memorize the score...if I have to memorize the score, fouls, foul troubled youths, time left, time outs left, #34 favorite after game meal, I WANT A RAISE!!!

I love it!

[jTheUmp]

Do you think it's important to know the exact score, as opposed to having a general idea of the size of the lead?

Usually I'd be hard-pressed to know the exact score of a game, but I generally try keep a good idea of the relative score: "Home team is up by a bunch (10+)", "Visitors are leading by a few (4-10)", "Score is pretty much tied (within three points either way)"