Crew Integrity

[EndEx]

I was watching a boys varsity game tonight and I was able to watch the progression of how an official can undermine a partner without realizing it.
I'm sitting right behind the V bench.

Early 1st quarter, H1 throws a pass towards H2. V1 deflects it, though, and it hits the C in the feet before going OOB. Coach thinks it hit H2's feet, and protests the call. C explains it to him, takes a bit long doing it, and she tells him he needs to get back into the coaching box. Just as she's about to put the ball in play, the T hits his whistle and comes across to try to give her new info. She tells him what happened, and he agrees and they play on.

T's approach egged on the V coach. Fast forward to another close OOB call near the other bench, where she (I think) points the wrong way. Same partner approaches her and she agrees and they give the ball to V. As they're talking, V coach in front of me yells: "You've got to help her out!" It was interesting.

If you heard it, who here would have T'd him for that last comment?

[just another ref]

Wasn't there, may not appreciate the context, but for that comment alone I would emphatically say no T.

[APG]

While I wouldn't be happy to hear the comment, the comment be itself wouldn't earn a technical foul from me.

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by EndEx

I was watching a boys varsity game tonight and I was able to watch the progression of how an official can undermine a partner without realizing it.
I'm sitting right behind the V bench.

Early 1st quarter, H1 throws a pass towards H2. V1 deflects it, though, and it hits the C in the feet before going OOB. Coach thinks it hit H2's feet, and protests the call. C explains it to him, takes a bit long doing it, and she tells him he needs to get back into the coaching box. Just as she's about to put the ball in play, the T hits his whistle and comes across to try to give her new info. She tells him what happened, and he agrees and they play on.

T's approach egged on the V coach. Fast forward to another close OOB call near the other bench, where she (I think) points the wrong way. Same partner approaches her and she agrees and they give the ball to V. As they're talking, V coach in front of me yells: "You've got to help her out!" It was interesting.

If you heard it, who here would have T'd him for that last comment?

If I was the Female Ref I would have T'd him. If I was the other official I would ignore it.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

If I was the Female Ref I would have T'd him. If I was the other official I would ignore it.

what does the sex of the official matter?

as to that point it doesnt mean that her partner was undermining anyone. the story sounds weak.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

what does the sex of the official matter?

It doesn't. The coach was yelling for her partner to help her, implying that she was not able to handle the job.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It doesn't. The coach was yelling for her partner to help her, implying that she was not able to handle the job.

I know that part - I meant to imply that what does the sex have to do with the T. Either they get one or they dont regardless.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

I meant to imply that what does the sex have to do with the T.

The sex has nothing to do with it. It just so happens that in the OP the official the coach was showing up was female.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by EndEx

I was watching a boys varsity game tonight and I was able to watch the progression of how an official can undermine a partner without realizing it.
I'm sitting right behind the V bench.

Early 1st quarter, H1 throws a pass towards H2. V1 deflects it, though, and it hits the C in the feet before going OOB. Coach thinks it hit H2's feet, and protests the call. C explains it to him, takes a bit long doing it, and she tells him he needs to get back into the coaching box. Just as she's about to put the ball in play, the T hits his whistle and comes across to try to give her new info. She tells him what happened, and he agrees and they play on.

T's approach egged on the V coach. Fast forward to another close OOB call near the other bench, where she (I think) points the wrong way. Same partner approaches her and she agrees and they give the ball to V. As they're talking, V coach in front of me yells: "You've got to help her out!" It was interesting.

If you heard it, who here would have T'd him for that last comment?

How did anyone undermine anyone else? This story is not compelling in any way. No T. Just play on. Yawn...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

I know that part - I meant to imply that what does the sex have to do with the T. Either they get one or they dont regardless.

He said the female official, not a female official....you need to re-read for proper context....has nothing to do with gender.

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by EndEx

As they're talking, V coach in front of me yells: "You've got to help her out!" It was interesting.

If you heard it, who here would have T'd him for that last comment?

the quickest way to undermine yourself is to pass out unwarranted T's....no T...just inbound the ball already....

[EndEx]

Originally Posted by deecee

what does the sex of the official matter?

as to that point it doesnt mean that her partner was undermining anyone. the story sounds weak.

It's a HTBT scenario, and it's hard to explain in words; but given how you completely misread a different poster's intent with regard to the gender of the officials, I'm not too concerned with my inability to explain it to you.

The scenario presented itself relatively slowly, as the C took allowed the coach a good amount of rope when questioning the call. When the T came over and hit his whistle, I thought he was stepping up as R to end the back and forth between the coach and the C. When he instead chose to question her call, it gave the coach the message that the R didn't really trust his partner. If nothing else, it provided him what looked like a wedge to try to work the officials.

[EndEx]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

the quickest way to undermine yourself is to pass out unwarranted T's....no T...just inbound the ball already....

This particular play happened on the opposite end of the court, so it wasn't even heard. I'd like to change scenario slightly, though, and ask.

Let's assume the play happened in front of the coach's bench again, and this time he yells across to the T on the other court, "You've got to help her out!" With the history of the previous play, where he's obviously not just appealing to another official but is instead making a direct comment about her competence; do you "just inbound the ball already?"

[deecee]

Originally Posted by EndEx

It's a HTBT scenario, and it's hard to explain in words; but given how you completely misread a different poster's intent with regard to the gender of the officials, I'm not too concerned with my inability to explain it to you.

No need to get sensitive, I can honestly not give a crap if someone wants to T here or not. You dont have to explain in words, pictures, music notes or smoke signals. I dont care.

And for further clarification I should have been specific that I was speaking to Leeballenfant because he said about T'ing if he were the woman but not the other ref. No big deal.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

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And for further clarification I should have been specific that I was speaking to Leeballenfant because he said about T'ing if he were the woman but not the other ref. No big deal.

And you're still getting it wrong. Had nothing to do with gender. No different than if it were a 6' 9" official working with a 5' 5" official and Lee said "If I was the tall official...."