Crew Integrity

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by EndEx

I was watching a boys varsity game tonight and I was able to watch the progression of how an official can undermine a partner without realizing it.
I'm sitting right behind the V bench.

Early 1st quarter, H1 throws a pass towards H2. V1 deflects it, though, and it hits the C in the feet before going OOB. Coach thinks it hit H2's feet, and protests the call. C explains it to him, takes a bit long doing it, and she tells him he needs to get back into the coaching box. Just as she's about to put the ball in play, the T hits his whistle and comes across to try to give her new info. She tells him what happened, and he agrees and they play on.

T's approach egged on the V coach. Fast forward to another close OOB call near the other bench, where she (I think) points the wrong way. Same partner approaches her and she agrees and they give the ball to V. As they're talking, V coach in front of me yells: "You've got to help her out!" It was interesting.

If you heard it, who here would have T'd him for that last comment?

If I was the Female Ref I would have T'd him. If I was the other official I would ignore it.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

If I was the Female Ref I would have T'd him. If I was the other official I would ignore it.

what does the sex of the official matter?

as to that point it doesnt mean that her partner was undermining anyone. the story sounds weak.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

what does the sex of the official matter?

It doesn't. The coach was yelling for her partner to help her, implying that she was not able to handle the job.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It doesn't. The coach was yelling for her partner to help her, implying that she was not able to handle the job.

I know that part - I meant to imply that what does the sex have to do with the T. Either they get one or they dont regardless.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

I meant to imply that what does the sex have to do with the T.

The sex has nothing to do with it. It just so happens that in the OP the official the coach was showing up was female.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

I know that part - I meant to imply that what does the sex have to do with the T. Either they get one or they dont regardless.

He said the female official, not a female official....you need to re-read for proper context....has nothing to do with gender.

[EndEx]

Originally Posted by deecee

what does the sex of the official matter?

as to that point it doesnt mean that her partner was undermining anyone. the story sounds weak.

It's a HTBT scenario, and it's hard to explain in words; but given how you completely misread a different poster's intent with regard to the gender of the officials, I'm not too concerned with my inability to explain it to you.

The scenario presented itself relatively slowly, as the C took allowed the coach a good amount of rope when questioning the call. When the T came over and hit his whistle, I thought he was stepping up as R to end the back and forth between the coach and the C. When he instead chose to question her call, it gave the coach the message that the R didn't really trust his partner. If nothing else, it provided him what looked like a wedge to try to work the officials.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by EndEx

It's a HTBT scenario, and it's hard to explain in words; but given how you completely misread a different poster's intent with regard to the gender of the officials, I'm not too concerned with my inability to explain it to you.

No need to get sensitive, I can honestly not give a crap if someone wants to T here or not. You dont have to explain in words, pictures, music notes or smoke signals. I dont care.

And for further clarification I should have been specific that I was speaking to Leeballenfant because he said about T'ing if he were the woman but not the other ref. No big deal.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

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And for further clarification I should have been specific that I was speaking to Leeballenfant because he said about T'ing if he were the woman but not the other ref. No big deal.

And you're still getting it wrong. Had nothing to do with gender. No different than if it were a 6' 9" official working with a 5' 5" official and Lee said "If I was the tall official...."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And you're still getting it wrong. Had nothing to do with gender. No different than if it were a 6' 9" official working with a 5' 5" official and Lee said "If I was the tall official...."

Yep, that's how I read it to.

Or, the bald official...
Or, the disheveled official...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep, that's how I read it to. Or, the bald official.
Or, the disheveled official.

How about, "the handsome official"?

[EndEx]

Originally Posted by deecee

No need to get sensitive, I can honestly not give a crap if someone wants to T here or not. You dont have to explain in words, pictures, music notes or smoke signals. I dont care.

The T question was secondary, but I'm sure you understood that. Your comment about the story being weak was made immediately after you said you didn't think the partner was undermining anyone, though. I therefore assumed I was inadequately explaining how, regardless of his intent (which was most likely "to get it right"), the result was he unwittingly undermined his partner's authority.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by EndEx

the result was he unwittingly undermined his partner's authority.

I'm still not seeing this. Are you suggesting partner's shouldn't get together to discuss anything for fear it will "look bad"? Some coaches will try and use anything they can to try and get into the official's heads. That's just part of the game. I think it's overblowing it a bit to say that anyone's authority was undermined in this scenario.

[EndEx]

Good question, and no, I'm not saying they shouldn't try to get it right for fear of anything. If he had come over immediately, it wouldn't have "looked" bad. Instead, he stood opposite the table and let her flesh it out with the coach for a little bit and only came over to question her after it was clear the coach wasn't to let it go. It was at least 15 seconds after her initial call before the T came over to offer help.

He came over, blew his whistle for everyone to see, then had a 5 second discussion with her before turning around and heading back opposite.

It looked like the coach's argument made him, from across the court, question his partner's judgment.

Now, the coach was a d1ckhead anyway, so you're probably right; he would have found something else.