No Captain Meeting?

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Agree. At the very least, I would want to meet with the coaches. You may find out some information you wouldn't have gotten otherwise. I had a couple of players on one team have medical clearances from the state for otherwise illegal headgear. Wouldn't have known that if we hadn't had the captain's meeting.

Why did you need a captains meeting for that? I check uniforms and equipment while watching warm-ups. Anything questionable can be addressed then. I've yet to be convinced a captains meeting is anything other than a relic from the past, when captains actually had real duties addressed in the rules.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Why did you need a captains meeting for that? I check uniforms and equipment while watching warm-ups. Anything questionable can be addressed then. I've yet to be convinced a captains meeting is anything other than a relic from the past, when captains actually had real duties addressed in the rules.

Because we asked the coach about it.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Why did you need a captains meeting for that? I check uniforms and equipment while watching warm-ups. Anything questionable can be addressed then. I've yet to be convinced a captains meeting is anything other than a relic from the past, when captains actually had real duties addressed in the rules.

My assignor and evaluators expect pre-game meetings with coaches. Captains usually attend. We are instructed to ask, if nothing else, "coaches, are all your players properly and legally equipped to play in today's contest?". We want both to say "yes" before proceeding.

If injury occurs because of something unseen is worn during the game, and the crew is called on it - our fallback is always that we did a pre-game and put the ball in the coaches court. It is their responsibility from that point on.

Now, if we as a crew, see something obvious (or even less than obvious) before or after that pre-game - of course, we will address it.

EDIT: snaqwells....saw your post after submitting my response to Hartsy.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

1. My assignor and evaluators expect pre-game meetings with coaches. Captains usually attend. We are instructed to ask, if nothing else, "coaches, are all your players properly and legally equipped to play in today's contest?". We want both to say "yes" before proceeding.

2. If injury occurs because of something unseen is worn during the game, and the crew is called on it - our fallback is always that we did a pre-game and put the ball in the coaches court. It is their responsibility from that point on.

Now, if we as a crew, see something obvious (or even less than obvious) before or after that pre-game - of course, we will address it.

EDIT: snaqwells....saw your post after submitting my response to Hartsy.

1. We do ours separately, but I do it because it's expected. The players aren't listening and the coaches would rather have their attention on their kids. Coaches get four points addressed; sportsmanship, equipment, timeouts, and coaching boxes. Is it helpful? Probably occasionally, but I wouldn't consider it invaluable.

2. I can't imagine anyone inclined to hold you accountable would be swayed by this argument.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

1. We do ours separately, but I do it because it's expected. The players aren't listening and the coaches would rather have their attention on their kids. Coaches get four points addressed; sportsmanship, equipment, timeouts, and coaching boxes. Is it helpful? Probably occasionally, but I wouldn't consider it invaluable.

Ok.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

2. I can't imagine anyone inclined to hold you accountable would be swayed by this argument.

Fortunately, I'll never have to imagine one way or the other since I, or my partner, always ask the question and we know our assignor has our backs.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Fortunately, I'll never have to imagine one way or the other since I, or my partner, always ask the question and we know our assignor has our backs.

My point was that if someone is inclined to blame you, having asked a question at the beginning of the game isn't going to absolve you in this case. I've never had a coach hesitate to answer, yet I've sent players to the bench for earrings, miscolored T-shirts, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I ask the question; I think it's a good reminder to the coach if nothing else. I just don't see how it's going to affect whether anyone hold me responsible.

If I allow a player to play with an earring, how is having asked the coach before the game goingto help?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My point was that if someone is inclined to blame you, having asked a question at the beginning of the game isn't going to absolve you in this case. I've never had a coach hesitate to answer, yet I've sent players to the bench for earrings, miscolored T-shirts, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I ask the question; I think it's a good reminder to the coach if nothing else. I just don't see how it's going to affect whether anyone hold me responsible.

If I allow a player to play with an earring, how is having asked the coach before the game goingto help?

I'm talking about a player injury due to an illegally equipped player that "got past us" and was allowed to play in the game.

What it boils down to for me and my partner is whether we asked the coaches in pregame if their players were legal/proper and if we, as a crew, were observant. If the answer to both are 'yes', then we know w/o a shadow of a doubt that we managed the game correctly and there will be no heat coming our way from the schools' AD or my assignor because we used correct protocol.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I'm talking about a player injury due to an illegally equipped player that "got past us" and was allowed to play in the game.

What it boils down to for me and my partner is whether we asked the coaches in pregame if their players were legal/proper and if we, as a crew, were observant. If the answer to both are 'yes', then we know w/o a shadow of a doubt that we managed the game correctly and there will be no heat coming our way from the schools' AD or my assignor because we used correct protocol.

I understand doing what's required, I just don't get any practical benefits from it. If i let an earring through and someone gets hurt, I don't see how having asked about equipment before the game gets me off of this. Either my assigner would hold me accountable for missing it, or he wouldn't. Personally, I don't think he would anyway.

"I asked the coaches if their players were properly and legally equipped."
"And do you think he gave you a thoughful answer?"
"Not really."

Could just be me, though.

Who knows, maybe that's why they do it in my area; I only do it because I'm not going to be "that guy." The only thing I don't do that others do around here is ask for speaking captains

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If I allow a player to play with an earring, how is having asked the coach before the game goingto help?

What if the player is injured by a piece of jewelry that wasn't visible to the officials?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

What if the player is injured by a piece of jewelry that wasn't visible to the officials?

Then I don't see how not having asked a question to which most coaches just give an unthinking "yes" really does any good.

[just another ref]

Taking the leads from others, I have tended toward less and less this year in both coaches and captains meetings. Properly equipped.....anybody got a question.....any special issue with any player we need to be aware of......good luck.

On the other hand, the last two games I had where someone else was the ref, I thought we would hear the whole rulebook read aloud. Explanations of verticality, (my spellcheck thinks verticality is not a word) reminder of the number of timeouts, quite a long speech in both cases.

[DLH17]

The ol' "we'll play the black line all the way around the court" gets under my skin a little - unless it's a poorly marked playing area. I just limit to properly/legally equipped, sportsmanship, any questions and good luck.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

The ol' "we'll play the black line all the way around the court" gets under my skin a little - unless it's a poorly marked playing area. I just limit to properly/legally equipped, sportsmanship, any questions and good luck.

I've had that partner, and he then went into CE rules with the coaches. I've also had the "watch the hand checks" and "reaching" partners.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I've had that partner, and he then went into CE rules with the coaches. I've also had the "watch the hand checks" and "reaching" partners.

I've had partners talk about handchecking and "reaching" but correctable errors?!