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Old Thu Feb 11, 2010, 12:17pm
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Player-control foul: NFHS vs. NCAA

In the NFHS 2009-10 MAJOR BASKETBALL RULES DIFFERENCES they state that there is a difference between the NFHS and NCAA rules on the player-control foul. It says that the NFHS rule includes airborne shooter and that in the NCAA there is no airborne shooter included. What exactly do they mean by this? Are they simply saying that in NCAA the airborne shooter receives a team-control foul, while in the high school it is a player-control foul?
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In the NFHS 2009-10 MAJOR BASKETBALL RULES DIFFERENCES they state that there is a difference between the NFHS and NCAA rules on the player-control foul. It says that the NFHS rule includes airborne shooter and that in the NCAA there is no airborne shooter included. What exactly do they mean by this? Are they simply saying that in NCAA the airborne shooter receives a team-control foul, while in the high school it is a player-control foul?
No, the difference manifests when a shooter releases his shot and then crashes into a defender. NFHS waves off the shot due to the player control foul. NCAA would count the basket as the Airborne shooter rule doesn't apply there. Since the foul is considered a common foul, free throws would be shot if the defender's team is in the bonus.
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The difference is only on the men's side of NCAA and the difference is - that in highschool (and women's college) if an airborne shooter commits a foul it is reported as a player control control foul and the shot is negated right away whether it is released prior or after the contact.
Basically in men's college a player control foul is defined as a foul committed by a player that is in control of the ball so if A1 (airborne) has released a shot then he is no longer in control of the ball so any contact made at this point will not be considered a player control foul but a common foul and if the shot is successful the points will be awarded. If A1 still has control of the ball when the contact occurs, it would be a player control foul.
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It is well noted there is no Team/Player Control after the ball is released for a shot. So the NCAA-M is not making an exception for subsequent contact caused by airborne A1, unlike NCAA-W and NFHS.


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The difference is only on the men's side of NCAA and the difference is - that in highschool (and women's college) if an airborne shooter commits a foul it is reported as a player control control foul and the shot is negated right away whether it is released prior or after the contact.
Basically in men's college a player control foul is defined as a foul committed by a player that is in control of the ball so if A1 (airborne) has released a shot then he is no longer in control of the ball so any contact made at this point will not be considered a player control foul but a team control foul and if the shot is successful the points will be awarded. If A1 still has control of the ball when the contact occurs, it would be a player control foul.
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This is not the correct reasoning.
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A1 (airborne) has released a shot then he is no longer in control of the ball so any contact made at this point will not be considered a player control foul but a team control foul and if the shot is successful the points will be awarded.
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It is well noted there is no Team/Player Control after the ball is released for a shot. So the NCAA-M is not making an exception for subsequent contact caused by airborne A1, unlike NCAA-W and NFHS.

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I caught that also.
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I caught that also.
As a follow-up question, is this a place where NCAA officials are allowed to use the monitor to see if the shot was away prior to the foul?
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As a follow-up question, is this a place where NCAA officials are allowed to use the monitor to see if the shot was away prior to the foul?
No...refer to rule 2-13. Too large to cut an paste here.
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Thanks for the help.
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Thanks for the help.
Just to complete the thoughts, this wouldn't be considered team control either since the shot had been released. That means, if in the bonus, free throws would be shot.
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