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Siloooswing Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:17pm

Player-control foul: NFHS vs. NCAA
 
In the NFHS 2009-10 MAJOR BASKETBALL RULES DIFFERENCES they state that there is a difference between the NFHS and NCAA rules on the player-control foul. It says that the NFHS rule includes airborne shooter and that in the NCAA there is no airborne shooter included. What exactly do they mean by this? Are they simply saying that in NCAA the airborne shooter receives a team-control foul, while in the high school it is a player-control foul?

Adam Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:23pm

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Originally Posted by Siloooswing (Post 660779)
In the NFHS 2009-10 MAJOR BASKETBALL RULES DIFFERENCES they state that there is a difference between the NFHS and NCAA rules on the player-control foul. It says that the NFHS rule includes airborne shooter and that in the NCAA there is no airborne shooter included. What exactly do they mean by this? Are they simply saying that in NCAA the airborne shooter receives a team-control foul, while in the high school it is a player-control foul?

No, the difference manifests when a shooter releases his shot and then crashes into a defender. NFHS waves off the shot due to the player control foul. NCAA would count the basket as the Airborne shooter rule doesn't apply there. Since the foul is considered a common foul, free throws would be shot if the defender's team is in the bonus.

jc147119 Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:30pm

The difference is only on the men's side of NCAA and the difference is - that in highschool (and women's college) if an airborne shooter commits a foul it is reported as a player control control foul and the shot is negated right away whether it is released prior or after the contact.
Basically in men's college a player control foul is defined as a foul committed by a player that is in control of the ball so if A1 (airborne) has released a shot then he is no longer in control of the ball so any contact made at this point will not be considered a player control foul but a common foul and if the shot is successful the points will be awarded. If A1 still has control of the ball when the contact occurs, it would be a player control foul.
Any other input?

Raymond Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:30pm

It is well noted there is no Team/Player Control after the ball is released for a shot. So the NCAA-M is not making an exception for subsequent contact caused by airborne A1, unlike NCAA-W and NFHS.


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Originally Posted by jc147119 (Post 660788)
The difference is only on the men's side of NCAA and the difference is - that in highschool (and women's college) if an airborne shooter commits a foul it is reported as a player control control foul and the shot is negated right away whether it is released prior or after the contact.
Basically in men's college a player control foul is defined as a foul committed by a player that is in control of the ball so if A1 (airborne) has released a shot then he is no longer in control of the ball so any contact made at this point will not be considered a player control foul but a team control foul and if the shot is successful the points will be awarded. If A1 still has control of the ball when the contact occurs, it would be a player control foul.
Any other input?

This is not the correct reasoning.

jdw3018 Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:32pm

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Originally Posted by jc147119 (Post 660788)
A1 (airborne) has released a shot then he is no longer in control of the ball so any contact made at this point will not be considered a player control foul but a team control foul and if the shot is successful the points will be awarded.

Oh?

Raymond Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:33pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 660789)
It is well noted there is no Team/Player Control after the ball is released for a shot. So the NCAA-M is not making an exception for subsequent contact caused by airborne A1, unlike NCAA-W and NFHS.

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 660790)
Oh?

I caught that also.

jdw3018 Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 660793)
I caught that also.

As a follow-up question, is this a place where NCAA officials are allowed to use the monitor to see if the shot was away prior to the foul?

Raymond Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:45pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 660796)
As a follow-up question, is this a place where NCAA officials are allowed to use the monitor to see if the shot was away prior to the foul?

No...refer to rule 2-13. Too large to cut an paste here.

Siloooswing Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:32pm

Thanks for the help.

Adam Wed Feb 17, 2010 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by Siloooswing (Post 662532)
Thanks for the help.

Just to complete the thoughts, this wouldn't be considered team control either since the shot had been released. That means, if in the bonus, free throws would be shot.


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