Player Control Foul

[jref]

If the defender is back pedallng, but his torso is squared up to the dribbler.The dribbler runs into the defender and knocks him over. Is this player control or does the defender have to be set.

[just another ref]

If the defender is backing up, meaning away from the dribbler, and the dribbler runs into him and knocks him over, it is player control whether the torso was squared up or not.

[pizanno]

does not have to be set

[ma_ref]

Another common misconception by coaches. "How can that be PC? The defender was moving!"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

Another common misconception by coaches. "How can that be PC? The defender was moving!"

"Sure he was. He was running from your big man."

[M&M Guy]

4-23-3(c) is what you need.

(Now, what I need is another weekend.)

[jevaque]

what if your feet are set and your back is toward the offender ??

[M&M Guy]

4-23-3(b) and 4-23-3(e) tell you the player does not need to face their opponent. And, 4-23-3(c) and 4-23-3(d) tell you the player's feet do not need to be set, either.

[jevaque]

to obtain you need to be set but you dont need to be set to maintain

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jevaque

to obtain you need to be set but you dont need to be set to maintain

Wrong. to obtain, both feet need to be on the floor at the same time while facing the opponent. Being "set" is not required, as a player may be moving and meet the requirements.

Also, if a player is not moving, LGP is irrelevant (thus he may draw a charge with his back to the offensive player.)

[jdmara]

If the defender has established and maintained legal guarding position, it would be a player control foul.

-Josh

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Also, if a player is not moving, LGP is irrelevant (thus he may draw a charge with his back to the offensive player.)

If a player is moving, LGP can still be irrelevant. B1 jogging up the court.
Dribbler A1 runs up his back. PC foul

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If a player is moving, LGP can still be irrelevant. B1 jogging up the court.
Dribbler A1 runs up his back. PC foul

Good point.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdmara

If the defender has established and maintained legal guarding position, it would be a player control foul.

-Josh

As jar mentioned, if the defender is pedaling straight backward, I'm not convinced he needs to have established LGP.

[mbyron]

I think that a lot of officials still call a block on the grounds that they put the "burden of proof" on the defender: if he's not stock still, it's a block. It's just easier (but lazy) to call it that way. I see a lot of guys who call it that way.

I think that the perception is changing, though. Many folks still think that the defender has to be set, but they are also looking at who initiates the contact.

Over time, the following dialogue might seep into the coach/player/fan head: "He was moving!" -- "True, but he had LGP and your player initiated the contact."