Backcourt Violation Help

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CDurham

If he gained possession with both (one in the frontcourt and one in the backcourt) then "Nothing". However, if he pivots the backcourt foot to the front court and then back to the backcourt then "Violation"

If he gained possession with that one foot in the frontcourt followed by the other in the backcourt then "Violation"

Right?

Right, as long as he gained possession with that foot on the floor. If he gained it airborne and landed with that foot down first, the other foot can come down in the BC and he now has BC status legally. (assuming, of course, he is catching a throw-in pass and his catch is the first touch of that throw in pass).

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by CDurham

However, if he pivots the backcourt foot to the front court and then back to the backcourt then "Violation"

You were right. However, this statement can actually be a bit more complex.

Situation: A1 catches ball with left foot in frontcourt and right foot in backcourt. While holding the ball, he lifts his right foot, then returns it to the ground in the backcourt without it ever touching the frontcourt.

What do you have now?

[CDurham]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

You were right. However, this statement can actually be a bit more complex.

Situation: A1 catches ball with left foot in frontcourt and right foot in backcourt. While holding the ball, he lifts his right foot, then returns it to the ground in the backcourt without it ever touching the frontcourt.

What do you have now?

Violation. Once the right foot is lifted he now has front court status. When it returns its a violation?

Unless you argue that the pivot foot was in the frontcourt and remained there when the right foot was lifted. Therefore you had frontcourt status even if the right foot came back down. (that would be my argument as a coach)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CDurham

Violation. Once the right foot is lifted he now has front court status. When it returns its a violation?

Unless you argue that the pivot foot was in the frontcourt and remained there when the right foot was lifted. Therefore you had frontcourt status even if the right foot came back down. (that would be my argument as a coach)

I'm not sure what you're getting at with the pivot foot. The pivot foot is irrelevant when it comes to player location.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

As an aside: if the player gets two feet in the FC, but is dribbling in the BC, he will gain FC status by picking up the dribble.

And, more important, so will the ball.

[mbyron]

How about this one, newbies:

A has the ball in the FC, and it gets away from A1 at the top of the key. The ball is bouncing toward the BC. As A1 reaches the division line, he reaches for the ball, bounces it once right on the division line, then grabs it with both hands. A1 never touches the BC. Violation? Explain.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

And, more important, so will the ball.

I would say "equally" important, but that's just me.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I would say "equally" important, but that's just me.

Are you sure your position is that, with respect to correctly ruling on a BC violation, the location of the player is just as important as that of the ball?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Are you sure your position is that, with respect to correctly ruling on a BC violation, the location of the player is just as important as that of the ball?

Yes, with regard to the very specific play in question. If you are going to deviate from that play and offer other potential violations, then there could be times when ball location (and previous location) is all that matters.

[CDurham]

Originally Posted by hoopsaddict

Yes you have a backcourt violation when A1 is the first to touch the ball as it goes into the backcourt.

That is what I have. Line is part of it so Backcourt

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CDurham

That is what I have. Line is part of it so Backcourt

Okay, how about this one.
A1 standing in the FC, holding the ball near the division line (table side) with pressure. He looks away from the table and sees teammate A2 standing in the FC near the division line so he reaches over the line and throws a bounces pass to A2. It bounces twice before A2 catches it, standing in the FC. The first bounce is in the BC, and the second bounce is in the FC.

What's the call?

[CDurham]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, how about this one.
A1 standing in the FC, holding the ball near the division line (table side) with pressure. He looks away from the table and sees teammate A2 standing in the FC near the division line so he reaches over the line and throws a bounces pass to A2. It bounces twice before A2 catches it, standing in the FC. The first bounce is in the BC, and the second bounce is in the FC.

What's the call?

Nothing if its caught on the 2nd bounce. The ball had Frontcourt status.

If caught on the first, the ball had Backcourt status. Violation

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by CDurham

Nothing if its caught on the 2nd bounce. The ball had Frontcourt status.

Let's work through this one. I'll answer the first three:

Team control? Yes
Ball had frontcourt status? Yes
A was last to touch before the ball had backcourt status? Yes.

Final question: Was A the first to touch the ball after it had backcourt status?

[Adam]

Read 9-9-1, then see if you still think it's legal.

[CDurham]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Read 9-9-1, then see if you still think it's legal.

Sorry I don't have my books with me. So even though it was caught on the 2nd bounce which hit in the frontcourt it is still a Violation?